2 questions about the middle east. not iraqi related.

[Bululu]

Re: 2 questions about the middle east. not iraqi related.

The only time that I belived the Isreali government really wanted peace was on Yitzhak Rabbin was still alive , Clinton played a big role also in that process (thats why I love that guy) but since then not a single moment belived in the intentions of the Isreali government in wanting real peace.

[bart_smastard]

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My point on all this is that Isreal has to be seen to be protecting itself to save face for it's own ppl and also to let the PA know it is not weak .
America got attacked once on it's own soil and carpet bombed an entire country . Almost all the world was with them when they invaded Afgahnistan and half the world supported them when they invaded Iraq . I couldn't tell the Isreali goverment how to resolve the situation so i can't critisize them for having no viable plan for peace either .
Isreal has enough military power to wipe out Palestine / Iran and Syria yet it dosn't . If those three countries just mentioned had the power to wipe out Isreal they would . During the English troubles with the I.R.A. we never resorted to the tactics the Isreali's did but then again the I.R.A. never blew up school buses packed with children .

Just my take on things

[Bululu]

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Doesn t the Isreali army kill children too , and yes school children ??? children playing football ??? so just dont put all the blame on the palestinians .

PS: and regarding who was with th US when they decided to invade Iraq ??? half of the world ??? i would like to invite to take a look at what they called the coallition , a joke more than half of the countries 90% of the Americans wouldnt know that they exist.

[bart_smastard]

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from a country that bankrolled hitlers persecution of the jews and is still to this day withholding money from decendants of death camp victims . I think you should take a look at your own countries international policy . Also on your international/banking policy you have billions of dollars of dictators monies that could of saved the lives of millions of starving children in those said counties . Don't go getting all sanctomonious about how others conduct their affairs when u live in a country which has supported ( financialy ) some of the worst scum ever to walk this planet

[Yao]

Re: 2 questions about the middle east. not iraqi related.

methinks Bululu is not Swiss born...

[davetlv]

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Doesn t the Isreali army kill children too , and yes school children ??? children playing football ??? so just dont put all the blame on the palestinians .

PS: and regarding who was with th US when they decided to invade Iraq ??? half of the world ??? i would like to invite to take a look at what they called the coallition , a joke more than half of the countries 90% of the Americans wouldnt know that they exist.

Unfortunately yes, but they don't go out of their way intentionally to kill anyone, unlike those fuckers that strap bombs onto their bodies and detonate them in shoping centres, on buses etc.

Bululu no one is putting blame on one side or another - I personally blame both sides. You however seem to think that Israel = bad guys, whilst Palestinians = good guys. Your assesment is all wrong and actually does nothing to help the peace process. Think about for a moment or three.

I'm away now till sunday, so catch you all then for the continuation.

[PROG]

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if you dont have tanks and high powered guns..dont you have to go out of your way to get revenge? thats why they have to strap..c'mon its common sense. give them tanks etc and lets see if they would rather strap themselfs.

put yourself in their situation. now if i was a palestinian, i would be pisssssed! if i was a Isralian , damn i be kicking back and be drinking my beer! and you want the palestinian to do some kind of peace..like how can you explain? i dont think they have the power to do so...i think the one with the power should do something about it..they have the POWER to do so do they not? power is only used for war? Im just your average joe but when i see something wrong i can spot it right away...i have that skill..im crazy like that! lmao..

[Bululu]

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No Dave , I ve never thought that Isrealis = Bad , and Palestinians= Good , no way I ever thought that, I am the kind of person that when i see something good I mention it and the same with bad things , this is why I said earlier since Rabbin died I lost faith and hope in peace , Rabin was honest and when he wanted peace he followed by real actions and by commitment.

PS: what my country policies , try to read the posts before commenting , I vbe never said that I am Swiss , and for your information living some where doesnt mean u r born there .

[bart_smastard]

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Srry but i read through the posts and the only reference to where you live is under your name on the left . So I'm obviously an idiot for presuming you are from Switzerland ..

I don't think the Israel Palestine situation will ever be resolved , it can only intensify and worsen . Multicultural societies tend to function perfectly well but bi-cultural have always meant war . Look through history and no country that had a population divided in two has ever functioned happily . Also the growing population of Israel doesn't have much space to grow into . Another thing that will only make the situation deteriorate is the fact that the Jewish half has control of all aspects of power (political/wealth /military and technology ) . The Palestinian population is growing allot faster than the Jewish and when Israel gets to a population of around 30/70 with Palestinian majority all hell will really break loose .
Srry to be so pessimistic about this situation but if peace ever is achieved it will only be fleeting

[robprunzit]

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Unfortunately yes, but they don't go out of their way intentionally to kill anyone, unlike those fuckers that strap bombs onto their bodies and detonate them in shoping centres, on buses etc.

Bululu no one is putting blame on one side or another - I personally blame both sides. You however seem to think that Israel = bad guys, whilst Palestinians = good guys. Your assesment is all wrong and actually does nothing to help the peace process. Think about for a moment or three.

I'm away now till sunday, so catch you all then for the continuation.

I don't think the Israelis ever set bombs in stuffed animals on the beach waiting for children to pick them up and get arms blown off, as Arafat's crew did some time back.

Casualties are a part of war. Israel is reacting to the attacks, not initiating them as the Pal. do on an ongoing basis. Provacation generates a reaction. If Pals are hurt in the processs, then maybe they should stop the provoking/attacks.

[bart_smastard]

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^^ I agree, from what little i know about attacks from either side . Isreali forces seem to be going for terroist groups and munitions whereas Hammas go for the softest targets ,mainly children . Wars are fought between soldiers, Hammas and other terroist groups intentionaly go for civilians .

[Bululu]

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^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Read my first post mister and especially my first line and you will confirm that your are not an idiot .

[bart_smastard]

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Your first post says you are a muslim from arab origin .. my guess is that over 50,000 ppl of such background were born in the uk last year . or do they not have muslims or arabs in switzerland .. i guess i would be guilty of racism and stereotyping to state that all swiss are white christian who can trace their swiss ancestry back through 10 generations . it's called the modern world where ppl from all orgins and faiths reside in the same country . or are you an economic refugee who resents the country he's living in and prefers to think of himself as belonging to another country ?
if so write it in ure fucking location under ure bleeding name

no offense intended

[Bululu]

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Dont ruin the discussion please it was nice and quite before you came , if you have anything to add please share your KNOWLEDGE with us if not just read the posts ,again pleassssssssseeeee ,

[Hos]

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Stupid Ahmadinejad with his remarks might even give some the idea that they will be backed up in their fight. Until now I was also in the middle about Iran, but his stance combined with their aspirations for nucleat technology are making me fear that indeed Iran should not be allowed to develop any knowledge on it. I'm against giving a gun to a warmonger.

Iran is in the media spotlight. Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, anti-Israel noises have consistently been coming from the Iranian government. Ahmadinejad is saying nothing that hasn't been said before. Iran is being watched and reported with much greater interest due to the media's anticipation of the US government's next move.

The president of Iran is not a warmonger. He is not at war with anyone. He definitely likes to stoke fires though and is doing so with gusto. But even neutral Israeli reports aren't surprised by the comments coming from Tehran. There is a great deal of bitterness that Iran is being dissuaded to build nuclear facilities for alleged peaceful purposes, having signed the NPT, whereas Israel have hordes of nuclear weapons and constantly flaunt International Law.

>Did you know: USA has been constantly involved in war with one country or another for over 50 years

Ahmadinejad is looked upon as a joke character by the majority of Iranian citizens. People mock his appearance, describing him as a Tea room waiter who needs a bath!