Attn Hos: Is Israel flaunting International Law?

[Yao]

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Turner is a dumb fuck. I looked at the pics and the comments, and I seriously could NOT believe that someone calling himself a journalist would display such a bias. Unbelieveable.

The rhetorics in there are too cheesy to accept for anyone with a brain, yet he seems to think that that page is an example of some good and sound journalism. It's a disgrace. First of all, i want the credits that go with each pic, as well as location, time, and an objective scene description. Furthermore, the guy is from the black&white family again: displays his own favourite side, ignores the other one completely. Moreover, refuses to take a step back and take a look at the complete picture and give arguments from both sides.
He also struck me as the type that in the end know little to nothing about the underlying causes of the situation, someone that Dave would have no trouble with at all making a complete idiot of.

[davetlv]

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Oh Yao i'm blushing!

And Hos, forgive me, but I'm still waiting for either proof of your claim or a retraction of your comment. You might ask why do i keep coming back to this, simple, for far too long people with NO or LITTLE knowledge of the situation pass off fiction for fact with the simple aim of hoping that no one will challenge them on their fiction.

And then there was me! So i'm still waiting. I'll be happy either way - either defend your position with facts or retract. Its that simple!

Unless of course you are ignoring the very nature of this thread on the grounds that your position is not held up by any authority other than the President of Iran! !

[davetlv]

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Whoops double post!!!!!

[thesightless]

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can we just settle on this statement.

the actions of both governments and hamas are completly fucked up. and it is doubtful a muslim civilization will ever stop anti jew rhetoric in the middle east and it is up to the entire world to help defend the right of jew and christians to exist in the middle east as well.

[davetlv]

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can we just settle on this statement.

the actions of both governments and hamas are completly fucked up. and it is doubtful a muslim civilization will ever stop anti jew rhetoric in the middle east and it is up to the entire world to help defend the right of jew and christians to exist in the middle east as well.

Whilst i might agree with your above statement, that not the issue of the thread, or the reason why i made my original challenge.

Hos made a clear statement that Israel is flaunting international law, a statement regularly made by people against Israel and yet rarely proved. I just want Hos to either prove his comments or retract his statement - simple no!

[thesightless]

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umm to play devils advocate and i do not know the technicalities of the law.

isreal does launch millitary strikes on a neighboring country, sometimes killing innocents, and it goes beyond what the USA is currently doing with unproven suspects, it kills them rather than trying them. also, it has too much to say about palestinian politics sometimes. im not against isreal, im all for it and the actions taken, but the letter of the law is a lot different than justice.

[davetlv]

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umm to play devils advocate and i do not know the technicalities of the law.

Ok, well i'm no lawyer either, much to my dear departed mothers annoyance!

isreal does launch millitary strikes on a neighboring country, sometimes killing innocents, and it goes beyond what the USA is currently doing with unproven suspects, it kills them rather than trying them.

Sorry dude, you must have had a really heavy weekend - you have no idea what you are talking about.

What country does Israel strike? And seriously before you do something so stupid as to say Palestine, don't! Palestinians had the opportunity of having their own country in 1947, 1967 and again in 2000 (the 2000 deal also included East Jerusalem), and they have rejected it each and every time. There was no Palestine when Jordan occupied the West Bank in 1948 and there was no Palestine when Israel occupied the same territory in 1967.

If Israel had behaved anywhere near how the Americans are behaving in Iraq your death toll of Palestinians would have been near to hundred of thousands. Did you know that last year (2005) more Palestinians died at the hand of Palestinians than died at the hands of the IDF!

Israeli prisions are full of Palestinians - if Israel, as your stupidly say, kill them rather then try them, there would be more than 5000 extra deaths.

also, it has too much to say about palestinian politics sometimes. im not against isreal, im all for it and the actions taken, but the letter of the law is a lot different than justice.

Justice would entail both people living peacefuly next door to each other, and yet at every opportunity the Palestinians keep reverting to terror and murder instead of accepting a Palestinian state.

But thats by the by, if we wish to revert back to law, which is how this thread was started, i'm still waiting for proof that Israel is flaunting it!!!!

As the old saying goes, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

[thesightless]

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again, difference in POV.

some textbooks show this map.




and what do you think happens when they launch airstrikes in Gaza? they aiming at empty hills? also, we have an isalnd full of detainees called guantanamo bay, remember that one? an arrest is a lot different than a missle launch.

again. im not disagreeing, i back what isreal does, the western world along with the respect and agreement of russian and asian nations created isreal, those who disagreed have every right not to. like any decision ever made, you dont need to agree with it.

[thesightless]

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if i claim my neighbors property as mine, and create my own governtment there, have a few friends backing me, does my neighbor now have to accept that the state of thesightless is there? even if others back me.

[davetlv]

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if i claim my neighbors property as mine, and create my own governtment there, have a few friends backing me, does my neighbor now have to accept that the state of thesightless is there? even if others back me.

Thats what the British and French did, for the arab clans, when they carved up this region after the demise of the Ottoman Empire.

22 arab countries, 99.9% of the middle east is arab, arab dictators and quasi 'demicratically' elected autocrats control the natural resources and yet they still want to eradicate Israel.

BTW loved the map - now on to gaza. Here again is where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Dude, when Hamas, Jihad, al-aqsa et all build their bomb making factories in schools, in the grounds of hospital, in apartment block - don't go blaming Israel if innocent people die.

I repeat, if Israel had behaved in the way the americans are behaving in Iraq there would be NO palestinians left in the occupied territories. Its a tribute to the IDF and Israelis in general who dont approve of whole sale indiscriminate murder of innocent.

Another useful statistic1.5 million arabs have Israeli nationality, have rights to vote in elections, own property, go abroad and are treated exactly the same as non arab Israelis. Meanwhile billions of dollars which have poured in to the PA coffers since Oslo, which was meant to be used for developing infrastructure, hospitals, education, have been either out right stolen or been used to still fund the families of homicide bombers. Go figure!

[thesightless]

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i agree with you, but it still doesnt make it right in everyone's eyes, thats what i have been trying to say. thats where i think the root of this is. there are plenty of cases where people claim evidence that isreal has broken the rule of law, and cases where pro-isreali people show evidence to the contrary.


i still think it will never end, for 50 years now it hasnt worked, no matter what happens a lot of people will be pissed off, you cant create another isreal and move the jewish faith somewhere, you cant create a region for the palestinian peoples and obviously they cant live together. i dunno, never claimed to , never will. for me, its a dead end no matter which way you turn, cuz the violence wont stop until one of the parties gets out, and neither ever will.

[davetlv]

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i agree with you, but it still doesnt make it right in everyone's eyes, thats what i have been trying to say. thats where i think the root of this is. there are plenty of cases where people claim evidence that isreal has broken the rule of law, and cases where pro-isreali people show evidence to the contrary.

I disagree, the root of this is the hypocracy by many in the west and muslim world that only see Israel as the aggresor. This war has been going on since the murder of jews by arabs in Hebron in the 1920's.

International law is meant to be there to ensure that both Israelis and Palestinians don't eradicate each other, and yet whilst 50+ countries continually condemn Israel in the UN for safeguarding its citizens, not once has that bastion of International law passed resolutions against the indiscriminate mass murder of Israeli civillians, in our own country, by murdering thugs with bombs strapped onto their bodies.

[Hos]

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Whilst i might agree with your above statement, that not the issue of the thread, or the reason why i made my original challenge.

Hos made a clear statement that Israel is flaunting international law, a statement regularly made by people against Israel and yet rarely proved. I just want Hos to either prove his comments or retract his statement - simple no!

what can I do, they cover their asses.

[davetlv]

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what can I do, they cover their asses.

Hos, I dont know whether you are being flippant or not, but your comment just proves that you know fuck all about the situation here.

The fact that you cant prove your earlier allegations speaks volumes. Maybe you should stick to subjects you know something about in future

[Hos]

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242. it's all in the interpretation. the UN fucked up.

your view is obviously firmly on the opposite side to mine, as you vehemently deny that Israel is breaking any international law.

yawn. can i go now. cheers. bye.