Brokeback Mountain

[el presidente Highsteppa]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

I am concerned about the attention the movie gets. Would it have got as much attention if it was a story involving a heterosexual relationship? Probably not is my guess. There seems to be a gay agenda in Hollyood and you're a terrible person if you're not on board. And I don't want to see the story about the ugly Desperate Housewive as a trans-sexual and couldn't care to see Pride & Prejudice either.

You're right, if it was about a heterosexual relationship, it probably wouldn't be getting anywhere near the attention that it is getting now. However, that's more than likely because we've seen nearly over a century of heterosexual relationship themed movies, and only a handful of mainstream homosexual relationship films that don't give into the stereotypes that are usually associated with with gay leads.

As for the gay agenda comment - don't make me laugh - it's called exploitation. They'll move onto some other kind of relationship twist themed films after they've gotten their mileage out of this flavour of the month. And there will probably be a lot more based on the success that Brokeback Mountain has garnered. They were doing it with the Blacksploitation films in the 70's, the Asian horror films over the last few years, the wire fu films after The Matrix broke through, and the list goes on and on (remember the glut of Vietnam films in the mid 80's? The indestructible killer films like Nightmare on Elm Street/Halloween/Friday the 13th that happened in the late 70's and early 80's or how about the current bunch of splatter/gore horror films like Saw, Hostel and Murder Set Peices?). This is just another phase that a studio is getting on board for in order to make money. If they could figure out a way to get grannies being plowed up the ass and have it make $150 million at the box office, you can bet that they (the studios) would sure as hell be chasing down Bea Arthur, Judi Dench and just about any other over 50 woman to recruit to have for their own granny fucking film.

[miss_catness]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

but me and most Americans don't care to see movies about gay lovers

it is not a movie about gay lovers, it is a love story period, if it was about two lesbians would you feel the same way?

and do not generalize that "all americans" will feel the same way you do. i'm sure many americans are open-minded and are interested in things that aren't always the status quo. why does it not surprise me that you live in texas? *cough* redneck *cough*(doesn't feel so nice to be generalized, does it?)

[shosh]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

If they could figure out a way to get grannies being plowed up the ass and have it make $150 million at the box office, you can bet that they (the studios) would sure as hell be chasing down Bea Arthur, Judi Dench and just about any other over 50 woman to recruit to have for their own granny fucking film.

WOW! Quote of the week imo!

[superdave]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

it is not a movie about gay lovers, it is a love story period, if it was about two lesbians would you feel the same way?

and do not generalize that "all americans" will feel the same way you do. i'm sure many americans are open-minded and are interested in things that aren't always the status quo. why does it not surprise me that you live in texas? *cough* redneck *cough*
(doesn't feel so nice to be generalized, does it?)

Ok Cat, I didn't say "All Americans". I said most Americans and I can speak for them better than you since you're in Canada. And aren't you contradicting yourself saying its love story between two men?

And your typical negative remark about me being a redneck is how some liberals react. You can't make sense with your arguments(see paragraph above), so you resort to name calling.

[miss_catness]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

^ you're hopeless... *pats superdave on the head* it's ok hun, one day u may realize the world doesn't revolve around u and people can be different and have different opinions...

and don't make this about politics, i just kinda think ur an idiot- sorry if that hurts ur feelings

but me and most Americans don't care to see movies about gay lovers... I am concerned about the attention the movie gets.

for a person that doesn't care to see this movie, u sure care a lot about the attention it gets, why? are u afraid that it may become accepted in society to be gay? that it may one day become acceptable for two gay people that are in love to be able to show their affection for each other in public? for equality regardless of sexuality to finally happen?? what has this world come to!?!!

[el presidente Highsteppa]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

I think the part that scares a lot of people about Brokeback is that they fear that they might actually be able to relate to the characters. As I mentionned, Twist and Del Mar aren't limp wristed, squealing queens that we might see in a film like say The Birdcage, nor are they the flamboyant makeup wearing drag queens that most popular media resorts to when bringing across the matter that a character is gay. In Brokeback Mountain, it's pretty incidental that the two main characters are gay, but it's the point that the media and a lot of people can't get past. It's not much different than when blacks were getting leading roles in films and actors like Sidney Poitier got more press about being a black lead than about their acting ability at first.

Complex character studies like this, and Transamerica, which confronts situations that straight people take for granted and deal with on a regular basis in life make people uncomfortable because it might make them re-evaluate their own problems and situations in life or how they might be able to share a feeling or situation that they might have similarities with (ie. Twist and Del Mar having an affair behind their spouses backs - something straight people might have done, with a heterosexual spin on the situation).

I mean I can relate to some degree of the uncomfortableness of a film like this. I don't really like having gay porn pushed into my face, as it does nothing for me, and I really just don't care to see someone's cock on a screen, much like some women probably don't care to see a lot of female nudity on screen for the sheer reason of exploitation. But do I need to express endlessly about how much I hate seeing something like this, or how I'm turned off by something like this over and over again? That's a textbook case of overcompensation.

[superdave]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

^ you're hopeless... *pats superdave on the head* it's ok hun, one day u may realize the world doesn't revolve around u and people can be different and have different opinions...

and don't make this about politics, i just kinda think ur an idiot- sorry if that hurts ur feelings


for a person that doesn't care to see this movie, u sure care a lot about the attention it gets, why? are u afraid that it may become accepted in society to be gay? that it may one day become acceptable for two gay people that are in love to be able to show their affection for each other in public? for equality regardless of sexuality to finally happen?? what has this world come to!?!!

Read El Presidente's or my posts on how to properly argue a point or express an opinion. You should try thinking and understanding other people before name calling and stereotyping others.

[miss_catness]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

i'm done with this arguement, instead of a rebutal all you ever come up with is "stop resorting to name calling", you either don't want to announce where you stand on the issues that I have brought up or you don't actually know yourself well enough to be able to know.

bottom line is that this is a great movie and i didn't start this thread thinking that I would have to justify to anyone why it should have or shouldn't have been made.

[miss_catness]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

And aren't you contradicting yourself saying its love story between two men?

i just caught this, how am I contradicting myself? when did I say it was a love story between two men? I said that it was a love story, period.

[rainman]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

Haven't watched the movie. Have no plans to, unless someone straight up gives me the Clockwork Orange treatment and I am forced. I don't like romance movies, I don't like westerns, and I have no desire to watch two men "kiesterize" each other. I am not a homophobe.

CLAM RULES!!

[day_for_night]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

Read El Presidente's or my posts on how to properly argue a point or express an opinion. You should try thinking and understanding other people before name calling and stereotyping others.

dave, you gotta realize that Cat lives in the most redneck right-wing province in canada, where being gay can mean an ass kicking in a parking lot. she is not liberal in her responses, just forward thinking. tolerance is the cure to violence and hatred.

[ChemicalBoy]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

saw this movie over the weekend, have to agree that it is a love story, and yeah my misses got grossed out at the scene of it, but well its a movie to talk about, one should see it though because one could really talk about this movie of what really happened etc.
Also those rockie mountain scence are quite amazing

[AaronClark]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

but me and most Americans don't care to see movies about gay lovers.

And I don't care to see movies about straight lovers constantly, but I've been barraged with those since I began watching movies as a kid. The movie was incredible, whether you're gay or straight.

[Lrn]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

my buddy said he got "suckered" in to watching it with his parents, he said it was good, but he could not stop saying,
why cant i quit you??!!

[lmmadic]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

I think people should be debating whether to put homosexuals in mental clinics. Same sex sexual orientation is a disease.

Now....people on this message board are obviously will come out with comments such as "oooh, a gay in denial and my favourite.....you are so last century"....in which they prove that its a fashion trend.

Before you lot call me a homophobic, go read some science journals, there's study after study in which they prove that homosexuality is unnatural and defies logic.

Still not convinced? let me give you some stats.....if you exclude african immigrants in the west then 85% of sexually transmitted diseases are from gays.

Good thing the movie flopped and already out of the charts.

Anyway, i posted my message, you can have a go now....

homosexuality USED to be seen as a disease, the medical world has moved on since then.
DSM IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Fourth Edition), published by the American Psychiatric Association, Washington D.C., 1994, the main diagnostic reference of Mental Health professionals in the United States of America.
this book containts all mental diseases and helps shrinks to diagnose the patients disease. Homosexuality isn't listed (anymore).So it isn't seen as a disease anymore. get your facts straight