bill o'reilly on david letterman

[buckman]

wasnt sure if this has been posed.
if u didnt see it here u go

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=4392

[ZendoBro]

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Wow! That's the first time I've watched Letterman in a long time.

[Yao]

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lol, that last remark was priceless

Anyhow...what the fuck is O'Reilly saying that he won't call people blowing up women and children freedom fighters? Well, have I got some news for him: those people opposing the US will never ever call the US soldiers 'liberators'. He must be pretty fucking stupid to simply ignore that fact and deny the very existence of another point of view. Or incredibly stubborn.

[superdave]

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I thought Letterman was being rude to O'Reilly and got exposed as another loud mouth, know nothing liberal. Letterman couldn't come up with specifics to argue with O'Reilly except I think you're full of crap. I was actually surprised O'Reilly kept himself in check. I was hoping O'Reilly would pull a Madonna tirade on him which he deserved.

And btw Yao - some things are just wrong. Not everything is based on a POV or respecting another's POV. Adolf Hitler, and Osama Bid Laden had POVs how the world should look. I don't think you'd agree with their POVs would you or should you do the right thing and hear them out?

I don't think setting off car bombs in a city killing innocents is a noble act. It's actually quite a cowardly act. From what I read, you are saying that the insurgents in Iraq are freedom fighters. Really, what the hell are they fighting for? My U.S. troops killed people, but got rid of Saddam and his government. Funny how O'Reilly is a fucking idiot and people blowing up bombs killing people in Iraq probably not even from Iraq are freedom fighters. You really need to check yourself.

[Yao]

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Did I say I agree with what those people are doing? I think not...I'll be the last one to cheer for people that are too afraid to face their enemy in the open. No, i'm simply referring to the fact that O'Reilly is ignoring the fact that there are more opinions than his.

You call yourselves liberators, they call themselves freedom fighters. On the same note, you call them insurgents, and they call you unfaithful pigs and murderers, see where I'm going? The problem I have with O'Reilly is that he knows only his opinion and will never ever acknowledge that maybe the US might have made mistakes, that maybe the US should not mingle in Middle Eastern affairs at all. I can't help it Dave, but by fucking around with Iran and the Shah, with Israel and Palestine, with Afghanistan and trying to regulate shit your country has not made itself popular in those regions.

You are now seeing a similar reaction in Southern America dude...those protests against Bush weren't just simple America bashing: people over there are fucking tired of the US trying to tell them what to do, how to do it and then on top of it profiting the most of the whole situation. I can't blame them to be honest, and the only reason that Europe has not yet been criticized as heavily is simply because Europe has a long history in those places, one in which it has valued it relations a little bit more than the US.

Like I've said so many times before: Europe needs to grow some balls and the US needs to back off a bit.

[ZendoBro]

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I thought Letterman was being rude to O'Reilly and got exposed as another loud mouth, know nothing liberal. Letterman couldn't come up with specifics to argue with O'Reilly except I think you're full of crap. I was actually surprised O'Reilly kept himself in check. I was hoping O'Reilly would pull a Madonna tirade on him which he deserved.

And btw Yao - some things are just wrong. Not everything is based on a POV or respecting another's POV. Adolf Hitler, and Osama Bid Laden had POVs how the world should look. I don't think you'd agree with their POVs would you or should you do the right thing and hear them out?

I don't think setting off car bombs in a city killing innocents is a noble act. It's actually quite a cowardly act. From what I read, you are saying that the insurgents in Iraq are freedom fighters. Really, what the hell are they fighting for? My U.S. troops killed people, but got rid of Saddam and his government. Funny how O'Reilly is a fucking idiot and people blowing up bombs killing people in Iraq probably not even from Iraq are freedom fighters. You really need to check yourself.

O'Reilly toots his horn way too much, so he should be prepared to back his beliefs no matter where he goes.

[superdave]

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Did I say I agree with what those people are doing? I think not...I'll be the last one to cheer for people that are too afraid to face their enemy in the open. No, i'm simply referring to the fact that O'Reilly is ignoring the fact that there are more opinions than his.

You call yourselves liberators, they call themselves freedom fighters. On the same note, you call them insurgents, and they call you unfaithful pigs and murderers, see where I'm going? The problem I have with O'Reilly is that he knows only his opinion and will never ever acknowledge that maybe the US might have made mistakes, that maybe the US should not mingle in Middle Eastern affairs at all. I can't help it Dave, but by fucking around with Iran and the Shah, with Israel and Palestine, with Afghanistan and trying to regulate shit your country has not made itself popular in those regions.

You are now seeing a similar reaction in Southern America dude...those protests against Bush weren't just simple America bashing: people over there are fucking tired of the US trying to tell them what to do, how to do it and then on top of it profiting the most of the whole situation. I can't blame them to be honest, and the only reason that Europe has not yet been criticized as heavily is simply because Europe has a long history in those places, one in which it has valued it relations a little bit more than the US.

Like I've said so many times before: Europe needs to grow some balls and the US needs to back off a bit.

O'Reilly says his opinion because that's what he's paid to do. And he does acknowledge that the U.S. shouldn't have went over there in the first place. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq either. It didn't make sense to me to attack a neutered country. I am glad to see those people not under a brutual dictator like Saddam though.

But, we all got sold the faulty intelligence the CIA and other foreign governments we're telling us. I believed it too and thought if it's true then war would be best. It took Bush over three years to finally acknowledge this fact. Which I think he needs to do some more explaining and investigating imo. You can't just get into wars and go oops my bad.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but hasn't the Middle East been chaotic for thousands of years? I don't see how you can blame only America for what's going on in that region. What about that dictator in Iran? He should be the one the world should be upset with. We do have a strong interest in that region though and it is of course oil. The entire world needs this precious resource.

[Yao]

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Glad we got most of it straightened out now, I can see you point of view. You did misintepret one part of what I said though: I didn't say the current mess is caused by the US, what I tried to say was that the hatred against mainly the US that has grown so vigorously in the recent decades is the result of it's mingling in Middle-Easter affairs IMO. It has been a mess for a long long time indeed, but what can you expect from a place where the roots of the biggest religions in the world are? There's bound to be fights over claims and the likes....

I did not believe the intelligence that came out, simply for the reason that there was too little evidence. With all those satellite pics made of the region, and all they could give us was maybe one or two convoys with mobile rocket launch installations? Naaa...I don't think so. Furthermore, it should've been pretty obvious (and it was to a number of people) that Saddam was actually waiting for the sanctions to be lifted: but his mouth got too big, being friends with France and Russia, and he pushed his luck a bit too far.

If a war would've had to be justified, it would've been simply for the reason that the UN had already played the policeman for a decade there which cost us, the taxpayer, money, and that it was time to show the world that one does not fuck with the UN.
Of course the UN would not even think of showing some balls, so that was pretty much out of the question.

About O'Reilly: the man has an opinion, fine, but the way he's putting things in black and white annoys the fuck out of me. Public figures that speak on these matters are supposed to give the audience an angle they hadn't seen themselves, and feed an intelligent discussion about it. I still get disgusted when thinking back of how he treated that guy who lost his father in 9/11 and was opposed to the war. Nobody should try to treat me like that in public simply for not agreeing with him/her, lest i'd lose my temper and try to stab out their eyes or something. See? I'm pissed again...lol

[Localizer]

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I thought Letterman was being rude to O'Reilly and got exposed as another loud mouth, know nothing liberal. Letterman couldn't come up with specifics to argue with O'Reilly except I think you're full of crap. I was actually surprised O'Reilly kept himself in check. I was hoping O'Reilly would pull a Madonna tirade on him which he deserved.

And btw Yao - some things are just wrong. Not everything is based on a POV or respecting another's POV. Adolf Hitler, and Osama Bid Laden had POVs how the world should look. I don't think you'd agree with their POVs would you or should you do the right thing and hear them out?

I don't think setting off car bombs in a city killing innocents is a noble act. It's actually quite a cowardly act. From what I read, you are saying that the insurgents in Iraq are freedom fighters. Really, what the hell are they fighting for? My U.S. troops killed people, but got rid of Saddam and his government. Funny how O'Reilly is a fucking idiot and people blowing up bombs killing people in Iraq probably not even from Iraq are freedom fighters. You really need to check yourself.

They're fighting for the invasion of their sovereignty and for the demise of their way of life. We've done nothing but more harm then good and we've only infuriated a perpetual cycle. Let's not beat around the bush, there's no reason for us to be there except to bank on our economic interests in that region.

[Localizer]

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O'Reilly says his opinion because that's what he's paid to do. And he does acknowledge that the U.S. shouldn't have went over there in the first place. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq either. It didn't make sense to me to attack a neutered country. I am glad to see those people not under a brutual dictator like Saddam though.

After several years, only recently has he vehemently acknowledged that the going to Iraq was a mistake, but I guess that's just after 65% of the republican senate has swayed to the notion of "goddamit bush, wtf are we still doing there."

But, we all got sold the faulty intelligence the CIA and other foreign governments we're telling us. I believed it too and thought if it's true then war would be best. It took Bush over three years to finally acknowledge this fact. Which I think he needs to do some more explaining and investigating imo. You can't just get into wars and go oops my bad.

Colin Powell wasn't that good at convincing me that there are any weapons there. It was just a valuable time to use the intelligence because so many Americans were waiting for a retaliation for what happened on 9/11. The administration was under pressure, the American people needed an answer, and they took what was given to them, not due to the fact that they believed that they're were weapons there, but because of sheer ignorance. The same mentality can be seen during world war 2 when young teens were eager to sign up for the military. They were going to see war, and many people were just hungry for that moment.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but hasn't the Middle East been chaotic for thousands of years? I don't see how you can blame only America for what's going on in that region. What about that dictator in Iran? He should be the one the world should be upset with. We do have a strong interest in that region though and it is of course oil. The entire world needs this precious resource.

You can only blame the United States for fueling the flames there. As for oil, we're only believing that fuel is the only possible solution. It's like a cure for aids and cancer, no one will ever find one because the pharmaceutical companies would have so much to lose. The oil companies have too much to lose if our energy sources switched.

[Kobe]

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We've killed over a hunderd thousand innocents in Iraq. WTF is BOR talking about? Pompous ass, imo.

If the roles were reversed, would you defend your country from an occuping Army? I would.

[Yao]

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Not only that: those that welcomed the Americans in the beginning are now getting pissed off with them not leaving. But worse is: they're starting to realise the US and UK will not ever let them seriously govern themselves, even after they leave they'll make sure the administration is one that will favour their economic/political interests first, then that of the Iraqi people. The fucking Sunni minority is in charge now.

A minority is governing a majority. What does that say about the democracy there?

[Kobe]

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Shit, we can't even stage a real democracy in this country, what makes anyone think we can install one over there?

[Yao]

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Actually, real democracy is impossible...it would mean giving power to the uneducated. And looking around assessing the average man's intelligence...I'm totally against that.

[MetroSoul]

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Alot of the stuff Bill O'Reily says *IS* bullcrap. I've seen segments of his show torn apart after they were aired. The man simply makes up imaginary facts on the spot to further his own opinions. Bill O'Reily is moron and anyone who relies on him for news is missing a few neurons and should check out some "facts" that aren't paid for by the GOP.