A little perspective on Iran

[evangelion]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

Well, in strongly Islamic countries, Muslims are not surrounded by free thinkers who are constantly questioning religion like we are here in the US, Europe, etc. Since there is little plurality of religion in these countries (or if there is, it doesn't matter because the government is religiously controlled), alternatives are non-existent. The encouragement to make up one's own mind is a feature of western society (rugged individualism), not all societies, especially not religious ones where people are systematically kept in the dark to be controlled.

Good points. I just find it hard to believe that in an entire region of the world, that there is not at least a small group of people who are sick of blindly following this way of life. Someone draws a cartoon of their "prophet" and the way to deal with it is to riot and kill people?? Is there even any thought involved in that reaction?? No. Just a bunch of sheep gladly eating what's been shovled to them.

War detractors will say the same thing about Americans and the war propaganda that we have all suposedly been "brainwashed" by, but I don't see Americans rioting and killing each other over things like that "how to be a suicide bomber" cartoon in that other thread.

[sammwalk]

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Good points. I just find it hard to believe that in an entire region of the world, that there is not at least a small group of people who are sick of blindly following this way of life. Someone draws a cartoon of their "prophet" and the way to deal with it is to riot and kill people?? Is there even any thought involved in that reaction?? No.

As I understand it, it is only small groups of people causing violent protests. In addition, there are those protesting non-violently, and their numbers are far greater.

Remember also that some of the deaths resulted from the Afghan police trying to contain the violence.

It's an incredibly immature conflict. The most embarassing thing for me to witness is the so called "answer" by Ahmadinejad and others...not anti-Danish cartoons, but anti-Israel. How original, you hate Israel and the US. Give me a break. These protesters strike me as a children throwing temper tantrums, angry at everything, everyone. Take it out on us, because it's our fault. Good logic, morons.

Just a bunch of sheep gladly eating what's been shovled to them.

We are the same, only we eat from a bigger shovel. Our opinion is shaped by our news media, who can be said only to be deceiving us (intentionally or not) to a lesser degree. Tough to form an educated viewpoint when unbiased and reliable information is difficult to obtain or verify.

I think we are actually witnessing the decline of our nation as a superpower. Chickens have come home to roost.

[evangelion]

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How original, you hate Israel and the US. Give me a break. These protesters strike me as a children throwing temper tantrums, angry at everything, everyone. Take it out on us, because it's our fault. Good logic, morons.

Isn't everything

I think we are actually witnessing the decline of our nation as a superpower.

Good god, I hope not. What's next after that??

[sammwalk]

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maybe those words are a little too strong...still, we aren't who we used to be, that's for sure. lost our balls, we did. happens when we can't firmly delineate the enemy, because too many people sympathetic to the enemy are part of the political process. and by sympathetic I mean merely the same race, religion, etc. too many people afraid of demonizing muslims. I'm not saying this is a healthy attitude, but the country needs to be solid if we're to end islamic terrorism. too many people in this country move here, call themselves American, but still have loyalties to their motherland. I think that has to stop. you live here now, act like it. support American interests abroad, not your motherlands'.

and certainly don't take me to be supporting Bush on this...I think he's incompetent. maybe they want to do the right thing; they just don't have the brains to pull it off.

look, no offense everyone, but terrorism isn't going to stop until not just fundy but even moderate muslims are out of power in the ME. gotta break the cycle.

of course, gettting off oil would certainly help. but then there's Israel, so, in fact, it wouldn't, when you really think about it. US support of Israel is the real problem, not oil. and that's not going to change, nor am I arguing that it should. but somethings gotta give.

somethings going to give.

[ep3]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

And here is a little more perspective as to why we (the US) might be up in arms about Iran besides the nuclear issue. Interesting read.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48652

[thesightless]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

ill put some perpsective on this.

the leader is a former hostage taker. now he runs a country, is silently making nukes while telling the world he isnt, is saying he is only going for power, but yet, for some reason is hiding it from everyone, has openly called to arms an entire religion to destroy another, and called for the destruction of a few countries, and has already accomplished what took saddam 15 years to do. he has kicked out foreign media outlets, nationalized his own, re-implemented the laws against women, homosexuals, and does this all why saying ""try to stop me, and ill show you how violent my people can be""

yeah, that is some perspective.

[evangelion]

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Yeah, and we're in Iraq dicking around when this guy is making much bigger threats and Saddam has been captured years ago. Next stop, Iran.

[dig72]

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look, no offense everyone, but terrorism isn't going to stop until not just fundy but even moderate muslims are out of power in the ME. gotta break the cycle.

Let me get this straight. Israel can have a Jewish leader, US can have a Christian leader but a Muslim country can't have a Muslim leader?

Is this what you're saying.

[dig72]

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ill put some perpsective on this.

the leader is a former hostage taker. now he runs a country, is silently making nukes while telling the world he isnt, is saying he is only going for power, but yet, for some reason is hiding it from everyone, has openly called to arms an entire religion to destroy another, and called for the destruction of a few countries, and has already accomplished what took saddam 15 years to do. he has kicked out foreign media outlets, nationalized his own, re-implemented the laws against women, homosexuals, and does this all why saying ""try to stop me, and ill show you how violent my people can be""

yeah, that is some perspective.

Pretty big statements to make don't you think?

Former hostage taker? Has this been proven?

Silently making nukes? Has this also been proven?

[runningman]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

yes.. to all

[Leha]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

My opinion - big bomb to Iran if they will not agree with russian offer
but who will do it?

[thesightless]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

Pretty big statements to make don't you think?

Former hostage taker? Has this been proven?

Silently making nukes? Has this also been proven?

well with your thinking, we wont know until he uses the nukes, and regarding the hostage taking, there are pics that damn well show its him, he denies it, every hostage says its him. he was one of the embassy attackers.

so until something blows up, we just have to wait to see what they were doing>? why isnt he allowing the IAEA to inspect and monitor?

[thesightless]

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/30/iran.president/

[Leha]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

Come on guys, here is nothing to discuss

This is the only one solution of "iran's problem"

[Jenks]

Re: A little perspective on Iran

That's a pretty cool picture! It's also a very bad idea regarding Iran. I hear this alot, "Military strikes on Iran!!!" Come on people, bombing is not a serious option. At best a strike would set Iran back a bit, but it would also inflame public opinion there and unify the nation against the west and only add to their determination to go nuclear. Iran has 3 times the population of Iraq, and they're much more a proud country than Iraq. Iran could retaliate easily, especially with all those troops right next door sitting in Iraq. And then where are we? in a lot worse situation than we've got now.