More cartoon protests

[Yao]

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In your long post you hit the nail on the head Rhipkin, and to Local: I am a fierce defender of my rights, and if cartoons are made of virtually any subject the drawers can find, then Mohammed is among them. The fact that these cartoons were made should not even have to be questioned if one really adheres to freedom of press and speech: they were made, since they too were a subject about which people should think.

Even if we did know it would provoke a reaction like this, we still should not ever refrain from doing it, otherwise our freedom will be hostage to the Islam.

[evangelion]

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Ah well sometimes the world just doesn't make sense??

Most of the time.

Even if we did know it would provoke a reaction like this, we still should not ever refrain from doing it, otherwise our freedom will be hostage to the Islam.

Right again.

Damn, you're on a roll, ol' buddy.

[neotron]

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someone plays a rogue huh.
how in the world does a society continually say they are about peace, but do the exact same opposite to anything that disagrees with them. no society since the era of the moors and nordic tribes acts so violently.

I'm sorry I think I missed something here...are we talking about the George Dubya's admin here? Sounds like it...

[Yao]

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Why I published those cartoons

Excellent article IMO.

[dig72]

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The cartoons achieved their aim and that was to provoke and provoke they did.The violent protests were to be expected especially in those countries which aren't very stable. Seriously, what did we expect those protestors to do? Write to members of parliament, hold political/religious debates on TV or perhaps even jump on forums such as this one and try and discuss their issues in a calm and civil manner?

The snowball effect has already begun and It's fairly obvious that Muslims are pissed off and rightly so imo, we invade their countries, kill their people, occupy their lands and resources, destroy their infrastructure, control/choose their governments, label and condemn whole nations as evil, torture their citizens both physically and sexually, tarnish/label Arabs/Muslims as evil/terrorists, we then depict disrespectful images of their prophet under the banner of freedom of expression and amongst all this we've also started or have made plans on attacking Syria and Iran.

The Muslims/Arabs have been under relentless attack by the Western governments and their media since 9/11, so in the context of things, I must say, the Muslim world has handled this pretty well, don't you?

This is not to say I support the violence committed but rather an easily understood reaction by the many who are frustrated/confused and even angry with what and where this is all heading.

[Leha]

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i totally agree with one cartoon
"it's so hard when you are loved by idiots" (something like that)

[rhipkin]

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I don't agree with them "handling it well." Handling it well would have seen protests at the person/people who provoked the incident - not KFC, McDonalds, Holiday Inn, Vodafone, innocent "Westerners" in the streets, Catholic priests, etc, etc.....

The funny thing is, false cartoons were distributed in order to fuel the fire. Who drew those? And why aren't they getting grilled for it?

Anyway, I'll continue to try understand this level of violence.

[thesightless]

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there is an ARMY/NAVY type store by my house selling the bomb turban stickers for your car.

and some choice bumper stickers featuring mohammed related quotes, like mohammed is a terrorist, your prophet is gay, etc...

gave me a good laugh.

[Yao]

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The cartoons achieved their aim and that was to provoke and provoke they did.The violent protests were to be expected especially in those countries which aren't very stable. Seriously, what did we expect those protestors to do? Write to members of parliament, hold political/religious debates on TV or perhaps even jump on forums such as this one and try and discuss their issues in a calm and civil manner?

The snowball effect has already begun and It's fairly obvious that Muslims are pissed off and rightly so imo, we invade their countries, kill their people, occupy their lands and resources, destroy their infrastructure, control/choose their governments, label and condemn whole nations as evil, torture their citizens both physically and sexually, tarnish/label Arabs/Muslims as evil/terrorists, we then depict disrespectful images of their prophet under the banner of freedom of expression and amongst all this we've also started or have made plans on attacking Syria and Iran.

The Muslims/Arabs have been under relentless attack by the Western governments and their media since 9/11, so in the context of things, I must say, the Muslim world has handled this pretty well, don't you?

This is not to say I support the violence committed but rather an easily understood reaction by the many who are frustrated/confused and even angry with what and where this is all heading.

These cartoons had nothing to do with Islamic territories outside Europe, but were rather placed to provoke a discussion between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe itself: and here it has at least in Denmark achieved it's goal, in other countries the discussion is still ongoing.
They also have fuckall to do with the West invading their countries and what not, that is a totally different story to me and believe me: I am not happy about the West at all when it comes to that. But we do live by certain standards here, and these were given up out of fear: THAT is what they wanted to confront. And they were right: we should not restrain ourselves on our own ground for fear of 'foreigners', it is they that have to adapt themselves to us, not the other way around.

[dig72]

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[quote=Yao]

These cartoons had nothing to do with Islamic territories outside Europe, but were rather placed to provoke a discussion between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe itself: and here it has at least in Denmark achieved it's goal, in other countries the discussion is still ongoing.

We live in a much smaller world then we did in the past and discussions/images such as these can be easily spilled out of Europe and into the many homes all over the globe via the net and without much explanation. Sure Denmark may have achieved it's goal but many in the world outside of Europe are still left scratching their heads wondering why.

They also have fuckall to do with the West invading their countries and what not, that is a totally different story to me and believe me: I am not happy about the West at all when it comes to that.

Maybe so, but perception plays a big in this imo.

Does Denmark have troops in Iraq?

[davetlv]

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The cartoons achieved their aim and that was to provoke and provoke they did.

You know what, i'm sick of this shit.

Tell me if you can what is offensive about these images?

What is so offensive about them that it has led to riots and deaths?

What is so offensive about them that embassies have been burnt down - even embassies of countries that have not published the image?

I look forward to you response.

And in case you havent seen all tweleve in their glory. . .

[Yao]

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We live in a much smaller world then we did in the past and discussions/images such as these can be easily spilled out of Europe and into the many homes all over the globe via the net and without much explanation. Sure Denmark may have achieved it's goal but many in the world outside of Europe are still left scratching their heads wondering why.

Why? Maybe because it was time for Europe to show what it is about.

Does Denmark have troops in Iraq?

Ehrrr...I seriously have no idea. Then again, those cartoons were aimed as a reaction to things that hadden happened inside Europe, in fact, inside Denmark itself. Not against Iraq, even though the drawings themselves drew upon events that have taken place outside Europe.

[thesightless]

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congragualtions dave, you have joined me on the list of MS user's who now have a fatwah on thier head.

[davetlv]

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congragualtions dave, you have joined me on the list of MS user's who now have a fatwah on thier head.

Dude, i'm an Israeli, the Fatwah has been placed on my head many many years ago. . . . .

[Leha]

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lol