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  • Nekrolicious
    Fresh Peossy
    • Jul 2004
    • 9

    Protectors of decency? More like greedy manipulative SOBs

    Respected members of the community:

    In the past few decades, our American society has seen a disturbing and potentially catastrophic trend. This trend undermines the ethical and moral fabric of any respectable community, and even threatens the very existence of the United States. Sadly, it has become so ingrained into our lives that we all contribute to its prevalence?regardless of our intent. This deadly trend, one which casts a sickly pall over the future of humanity, is the destruction of individual responsibility and of rational concepts of fairness for the sake of personal gain or preservation.
    By this, I mean that countless opportunistic or misguided souls have sought or are seeking a means to circumvent the efficient and beneficial processes of justice and of commerce by denying their own responsibility for their actions, by confusing cause with effect in order to achieve a poorly planned social renovation, and/or by seeking scapegoats for blame that belongs to everyone?not just the selected few. I shall attempt to explain each of my assertions. As I do so, please take note of anything that seems familiar.
    When someone commits a crime, there are doubtless myriad contributing factors. One must consider the perpetrator?s mental status, their environment, the nature of the crime, the victim?s relation to the perpetrator, etc. Recently, however, the responsibility for the illegal acts has been avoided by the sketchy and poorly justified means of the temporary insanity defense, the assertion of provocation, and (most notably, in this context) the assertion that someone or something forced or enticed them to commit the crime. The entertainment industry has become a popular target for such unscrupulous efforts at avoiding responsibility. However, it should be noted that, though millions are exposed to these stimuli at similar or even more severe degrees than these criminals, only a scant few take action based on these alleged ?motivators.? If video games, movies and music cause violence, then why have just the very disturbed or unstable responded to these sirens? calls?
    At the behest of the most misguided and deceptive prophets of doom, several ?experts? denounce the overwhelming presence of violence and vice in entertainment as the causes of these problems in real life. However, if one thinks on this long enough, the absurdity of the proclamation is clear. To say that a permeating atmosphere of violence in media is corrupting an otherwise pure and decent society is like saying that your shadow creates you, or that a fire creates a match. Human society has, since the dawn of history, been pervaded by an element of violence ? an inclination to shun the conventions of polite society in favor of indulgence of the darker aspects of human behavior. This shadow in the heart of mankind cannot be banished by denying its existence. Violence, lascivious behavior, hatred, cruelty?these things are present in the media because they are present in humanity. Their presence there is the result of our desire for such things, not the cause of such desires.
    Yet despite the logical progression of cause and effect, of action and responsibility, prominent demagogues have, time and again, sought to demonize an industry simply for giving us what we seek. Perhaps they think that by taking such a publicly recognizable, brave and ?honorable? stance against the big bad wolf, they can convince people to follow them to whatever delusion of grandeur has motivated them. Perhaps they think that, by taking an abstract enemy and giving it physical embodiment, they can somehow defeat these negative aspects of the psyche?or at least deny their own involvement and contribution. Or perhaps they just want to make money from an easy target that seems to have plenty of it. Regardless of their motivation, these poor, deluded souls are tearing down the very fabric of right and wrong. Much more of this, and morals and ethical concerns will no longer make any sense to the general public. They will have been told that up is down, left is right and backward is forward so often that they will be nothing more than bemused cattle.
    Smoke and mirrors aside, it is readily apparent where responsibility lies, so long as one uses common sense and rational logic. Suing a handgun manufacturer for a fatal shooting makes no more sense than suing a car manufacturer for a vehicular homicide. Suing a fast food chain or cigarette company for health problems makes no more sense than suing the sun for causing skin cancer. And suing the producer or distributor of violent or lewd movies, music or videogames for causing criminal behavior makes no more sense than suing the companies that print the Bible ? or even the church itself ? for inciting two millennia of incest, genocide, and treachery (it?s all in there?read it for yourself).
  • Civic_Zen
    Platinum Poster
    • Jun 2004
    • 1116

    #2
    Re: Protectors of decency? More like greedy manipulative SOB

    Originally posted by Nekrolicious
    Suing a handgun manufacturer for a fatal shooting makes no more sense than suing a car manufacturer for a vehicular homicide. Suing a fast food chain or cigarette company for health problems makes no more sense than suing the sun for causing skin cancer. And suing the producer or distributor of violent or lewd movies, music or videogames for causing criminal behavior makes no more sense than suing the companies that print the Bible ? or even the church itself ? for inciting two millennia of incest, genocide, and treachery (it?s all in there?read it for yourself).


    This is the reason I started my hate affair with Michael Moore, and with the all too liberal politicians in this country. Because it was playing Doom, and listening to Marilyn Manson that caused Dillon Cleabold and his friends to commit those attrocities. It was the very ammendment itself, that American's have lived by that caused those guns to fall into the wrong hands. It was Mr. Warner, and Mr. Colt who were responsible. And yet the public agreed with this line of flawed logic. I wouldn't be suprised, that if those kids hadn't killed themselves, that they would have been treated differently in the court of law. Hell, they could have gotten off on a plea of insanity because of the public's view. Absolutely incredible.

    Before I had a clear (not that its crystal or anything) understanding of what the Democratic axiom is, I was always a very liberal person. I think that if someone wants to smoke a J, that is their decision. Anytime someone makes a choice that effects them, and only them, its their choice and their's alone. Smoking a ciggerette is the exact same thing. Gay marriage, still has some instances where it will effect others, but is for the most part, only effecting those involved. I can give a million examples, a simple one is the Seatbelt law. There was a long time that I drove without my seatbelt just because of the rebellious person I am. I wear one religiously now, and make sure my passanger's do too. But it was my choice, if I got in to an accident, and died a painful death on the side of the road, it was me and me alone who would suffer.

    I'm still the same person, but now I understand that its the Democrat's that are primarily responsible for instilling fear in order to garner votes. Its primarily their adage that has led to the increased apprehensiveness for American's and their way of life. People question everything our society was built on, and are slowly getting rid of the very foundation that holds this country afloat.

    They are thinking about all the crime, and how we can stop all the murders. And rightfully so. Except its because of those scapegoats that crime will continue to rise, not fall.. Why wouldn't a 18 yo kid kill someone that he hated, or that taunted him daily, if he thought he could just blame it on the many hours he spent playing Grand Theft Auto.
    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus (55-117 A.D.)
    "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
    - Thomas Jefferson

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    • rubyraks
      DUDERZ get a life!!!
      • Jun 2004
      • 5341

      #3
      Re:: Protectors of decency? More like greedy manipulative SO

      Two words: Personal Responsibility


      what the hell has happened to that in this country? It's always someone else's fault.
      "Work like you don't need the money.
      Love like you've never been hurt.
      Dance like nobody's watching.
      Sing like nobody's listening.
      Live like it's Heaven on Earth."

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      • thesightless
        Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
        • Jun 2004
        • 13567

        #4
        Re: Protectors of decency? More like greedy manipulative SOB

        [quote="Civic_Zen.

        I'm still the same person, but now I understand that its the Democrat's that are primarily responsible for instilling fear in order to garner votes. Its primarily their adage that has led to the increased apprehensiveness for American's and their way of life. People question everything our society was built on, and are slowly getting rid of the very foundation that holds this country afloat.

        [/quote]

        i agree whole heartedly. the people on the way left have always said that the ppl on the far right are too blame for the bad, but when they are in charge they simply mask the problems instead of solving them. IE clinton and his relations, dont get me wrong he did a great job but he allowed the threats to grow and manifest themselves. he let the markets grow and grow under false pretenses, then when the truth came out and they had to do something about the way financial reporting was handled, things obviously took a bad turn, and bush got blamed. but should bush have let the problem grow? i dont think so. he did the right thing.

        vote none of the above.

        and one more thing to anyone who moans like the fat cunt moore. stop whining about the people in the military who have fight, they knew full fledged that joining the military would result inthe chance that they would see combat. i joined the army knowing this and so did everyone else. i was in the iraqi operations in 98-99 where good old clinton decided to bomb from far away and run, setting us up for worse things by garnering hate. rather than letting us go in, help out the native peoples and showing that better things exist.

        maybe in 5 years iraq will thank us for a people's government.
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        • toasty
          Sir Toastiness
          • Jun 2004
          • 6585

          #5
          Re: Protectors of decency? More like greedy manipulative SOB

          Originally posted by thesightless
          stop whining about the people in the military who have fight, they knew full fledged that joining the military would result inthe chance that they would see combat. i joined the army knowing this and so did everyone else.
          Agreed.

          Do you think the same about the people that joined the reserves? I can't speak to this personally, but I would assume that the mindset of a reservist would be something along the lines of, "I don't want to make a career of this, but if my country is in need, I am willing to help." U.S. foreign policy has changed significantly over the last couple of years (see e.g., The National Security Strategy of the United States, Sept. 2002 http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html ) -- if I were a reservist that was now spending months away from my family and friends to fight THIS war, I might feel a bit hoodwinked, because with the exception of those people that signed up for the reserves post-Sept 2002, the circumstances under which I might be called into duty have changed drastically.

          With that said, I'm purely talking out of my ass and would be curious to hear someone's thoughts on it that is closer to this issue. Do any reservists or others with a better grip on this than I do have any thoughts on this?

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          • neoee
            Platinum Poster
            • Jun 2004
            • 1266

            #6
            Re: Protectors of decency? More like greedy manipulative SOB

            Originally posted by thesightless

            he let the markets grow and grow under false pretenses, then when the truth came out and they had to do something about the way financial reporting was handled, things obviously took a bad turn, and bush got blamed. but should bush have let the problem grow?
            Sightless, don't kid yourself, this has happened longer than just Clinton's term. There would be no stock trading if it was based on current valuations, its all about projections, future valuations and bullshit. And to answer your question- Yes Bush should have let the problem, as you put it 'grow' or rather remedy itself. The same way that you get fair market value for your items on ebay the same goes for the stock market. Keep in mind that companies are in business to make money. If they lie a bit on numbers (as they have since the beginning of trading) it will turn itself up gradually over time and the market will adjust for it. When you have the goverment stepping in with their crowbars to open boxes (accounting books) you are no longer letting the market dictate- something that has worked for us for many years.

            Somewhere I posted an analogy to trading an empty box (or many) which everyone thinks has gold in it but really has nothing. And the box gets sold for what is believed to be fair market value for the gold, its bought and sold many many times and everyone is happy thinking it contains the gold they paid for. 1 day someone decides open the box and look (Bush). Guess what no gold, now he makes everyone aware and now everyone else with a box opens theirs to also find nothing. Suddenly everything comes crashing down, major companies file for bankrupucy, people loose their entire life savings, etc.

            What would have naturally would have happened in this analogy would have gone something like this:
            Someone would have figured that this box was a bit too light to have gold in it, or they would have poke a hole to look in the box and thought "gee this doesn't have quite as much gold as I thought it would have" and said person would have started selling his boxes for less than top market value in order to prevent from losing money on them. This would have caused a wave effect in market and the value of these boxes would go down gradually.

            Bottom line: Bush should have just let the market take care of itself.
            "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." -Benjamin Franklin

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