So I had myself a fistfight at a gig....

[rhipkin]

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no, no morals at all, just supply and demand. now there is a free supply. simple economics.

DJs and producers aren't going anywhere because we love to do what we do. music piracy is just a fact of life now. of course it's fair to get paid for what you do- i'm not saying it isn't. i'm saying that, since it's virtually impossible to force people to stop pirating, that we need to roll with the punches. we need to adapt.

Yeah I'm afraid that is very true too. I really try to buy all my music, I still do about 80% of my gigs on vinyl so I do buy tons of music - but every so often when I know I'm running out of time I'll download what I need and play it off CD until the batch arrives.... so I'm guilty of pirating music from time to time - who isn't? But I always try give back, I guess its just a personal thing and all...

[chuckc]

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oh, and for the record he swung at me first.....

well u have ever right to defend yourself...so the loser got what was coming....

[algy]

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Nothing like a little John Courage to the rescue!

[jarble187]

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and no dj is forced to divulge where he/she gets their music nor asked to pay royalties when they play it.

Dont know if you saw the controversy that surrounded EBTG when Hummer used one of their tracks on a commercial- Taken from EBTG's site-

"Hello everyone. We would like to point out that the currrent TV commercial in the US for Hummer that uses our cover version of 'Love Is Strange' was put together without our knowledge or consent. Unfortunately Warner Music UK control our early 90's recorded performances and agreed that the track could be used. It is common courtesy to inform the artist and listen to any objections when something like this happens. We were not contacted by Warner Music UK.

"Fortunately if the artist also writes the song, they can put a stop to things by refusing to allow the publishing copyright to be used. Unfortunately in this case, we did not write the song and therefore could not block it on those grounds.
"We are deeply concerned that our music has been used in this way. It is something we would never have condoned had we'd been given the choice.
"We are currently in lengthy legal discussion with Warner Music UK. We would have spoken out earlier but needed to clarify our position. We will make our final position clear and issue a statement in due course.
Best always," Ben and Tracey

Do you think it was a dick move by Ben Watt to ask for royalties even though he and Tracey did not write the song? This is just one instance of a producer not liking the way his music is being used. I think we will see more of it if things like in this topic continue to occur.

[geoffgulley]

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sammwalk, thanks for your perspective and i appreciate your input... you're spot on in all of your points. i guess in the end what i'm trying to say is that "morals" and "right or wrong" aside i'm still going to be one to stand up for what i believe. if i have to stand alone then so be it. yes, piracy is a fact a life but that doesn't mean i or you have to accept it and/or participate in it because others are doing it and it's "impossible to force people to stop". i don't rob banks or gun people down because other people do it. it fairly safe to say that type of behavior, aside from being very illegal, is frowned upon by the masses. I don't steal music and saying it's "virtually impossible to stop" and "we need to adapt" says, in my mind, that it's ok to do... it's not, period. we can't stop it so turn a blind eye and accept it is, in a way what's being said. i don't, won't and never will feel that way and many others on this board do as well. i don't care if you're a dj, a edm lover, you only put it on your ipod or in your car or whatever. everytime you download something via p2p that has been officially released and is readily available to purchase you're taking money, as little as it may be, away from the producer/act, many of whom are not dj's. and i'm sorry, to the people who use p2p because they can't get a particular tune because it's unreleased and they want it now and then they'll "buy" it when it comes out... fuck off. there's a reason you don't have it now and that's because you don't deserve to have it. that's why sasha and diggers and howells and every other top dj gets the music first before the masses. anyway.... enough of this rant, i've been getting pissed off and saying the same thing for over 4 or 5 years now and your right sammwalk, it's not going to change..... but it still doesn't make it right.

[picklemonkey]

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everytime you download something via p2p that has been officially released and is readily available to purchase you're taking money, as little as it may be, away from the producer/act, many of whom are not dj's.

I heard God kills a kitten every time you do it

[geoffgulley]

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^^ i'm so going to hit you in miami..... i mean, buy you a beer....

[picklemonkey]

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either way it better floor me

[Kobe]

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I'd just like to chime in and say I have no opinion on the subject.

[hansh20]

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we are all involved i another topic now about the stole/borrowed/len/etc. music but if thats the case, i have to admit most of the tunes i play are "free", i do rarely download music from beatport and that kind of sites. the point here is that i do this (play "free music") cause i have no big conections in this bussiness and how the fuck could i get any good conections if im in a small town in mexico. its really really hard to get conected around here, in fact its allmost imposible... if you want some good music you have to look for it the way you can, and the answer usually is slsk or dc++ or some p2p software so i dont know if im being clear here, but thats only my situation, i cant talk for everybody.

[Jenks]

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^ you don't need "good connections in the business" the only connection you need is a connection to the internet, which you obviously have...so go SHOPPING.

(don't make us send Geoff to mexico to find you.)

[djkennedy]

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arguments for or against the morality of using freely downloaded tracks are irrelevant. the technology is out and people are going to exploit it. its being right or wrong doesn't change the fact that people will do it. unless there is something that deters this sort of behavior, it will not stop. since it won't stop, it will become normal. actually, it already is. and no dj is forced to divulge where he/she gets their music nor asked to pay royalties when they play it.

anyway, being a dj and attempting to become popular playing other people's music is already questionable. it's not stealing, but it is, in many ways, taking credit for the work of others. so this moral high ground of "buying" instead if "stealing" is pretty shaky if you ask me.

the comments about the quality of music downloaded (<320kbps) will be obsolete once file transfer rates increase to the point of being able to download whole songs in .wav format, which is upon us now.

this just represents a fundamental change in the entire realm of intellectual property. i think that the propagation of free music technology (like Soulseek) puts more pressure on artists to add something to their live performances that can't be captured in a song.

finally, remember that the music industry and "superstars" and getting rich, etc. is only a recent 20th century phenomenon. music used to be something people would make very little money on, even if they were masters. so, in a way, we may be returning to an earlier state of affairs.

I totaly agree wit cha...technology is out there for us to use....In my opinion as Dj's its never about the money, but about the music...its always about the music!!!....if I produced a track and found out someone was playing it....I wouldnt care if they bought it or got it for free from P2p....I would just be excited they were playing it....and most of all that they liked it....As a Dj I love EDM...and love that I can bring this type of music to the masses...regardless if its free or bought...Do I get paid for Gigs...yes...But its for the set and atmosphere I create with the music I play.....remember.....Its all about the music and the love of it....never the money.....

[shosh]

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It's about the chicks not the money!

[sammwalk]

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sammwalk, thanks for your perspective and i appreciate your input... you're spot on in all of your points. i guess in the end what i'm trying to say is that "morals" and "right or wrong" aside i'm still going to be one to stand up for what i believe. if i have to stand alone then so be it. yes, piracy is a fact a life but that doesn't mean i or you have to accept it and/or participate in it because others are doing it and it's "impossible to force people to stop". i don't rob banks or gun people down because other people do it. it fairly safe to say that type of behavior, aside from being very illegal, is frowned upon by the masses. I don't steal music and saying it's "virtually impossible to stop" and "we need to adapt" says, in my mind, that it's ok to do... it's not, period. we can't stop it so turn a blind eye and accept it is, in a way what's being said. i don't, won't and never will feel that way and many others on this board do as well. i don't care if you're a dj, a edm lover, you only put it on your ipod or in your car or whatever. everytime you download something via p2p that has been officially released and is readily available to purchase you're taking money, as little as it may be, away from the producer/act, many of whom are not dj's. and i'm sorry, to the people who use p2p because they can't get a particular tune because it's unreleased and they want it now and then they'll "buy" it when it comes out... fuck off. there's a reason you don't have it now and that's because you don't deserve to have it. that's why sasha and diggers and howells and every other top dj gets the music first before the masses. anyway.... enough of this rant, i've been getting pissed off and saying the same thing for over 4 or 5 years now and your right sammwalk, it's not going to change..... but it still doesn't make it right.

i think we see eye to eye inasmuchas we think that downloading is wrong.

but, from a business POV, it is unfair that you or i pay for music when it's free for someone else. for us not to acknowledge the impact of illegal downloading is to create artifical market force in the form of deciding not to when others are. when others profit from something like this, the people who paid responsibly are punished. and as i said before, if it is (most likely) something that can't be stopped, then we have to make do.

and finally, here is my solution: write your own music and be the first to play it live. then you'll never have anything to worry about.

[DJJEFFJONES]

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It's about the chicks not the money!

Nice Crown, all hail the ummm king?