cool read. honest opinions.

**KinKyJ** · March 1, 2006, 12:17:32 PM

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Yeah well maybe it is. But also maybe it's so popular because of the way the Bush administration has been stampeding through the Middle East. Action - reaction: simple law of physics.

**etincelles** · March 1, 2006, 12:56:41 PM

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...........

**thesightless** · March 1, 2006, 12:57:37 PM

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again, not colonizing. just allowing the people, not just those with guns, to choose the leadership. we arent taking over or institutng puppets...

**thesightless** · March 1, 2006, 01:00:19 PM

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Originally posted by Adriel-Levi

i don't know...i'm of the opinion that force never truly 'wins over' the other side
the way you win or 'convert' others is by showing how one idea is more beneficial

of course, these politicians don't really think like that. anyway, interesting read

in the end all, it has historically been the only way. force will always come into play eventually. when sides disagree, animosity is created, and it builds, eventually someone begins to fight. fucked up but true. no major conflict has ever been ""truly peacefully avoided"". cold war yes, but there were allies of both applying pressure, and there never was a reason to fight. more of a bluff vs bluff idea.

**threehills** · March 1, 2006, 02:30:10 PM

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Originally posted by thesightless

again, not colonizing. just allowing the people, not just those with guns, to choose the leadership. we arent taking over or institutng puppets...

Perhaps they don't mean colonizing in the literal sense. Perhaps they mean that america is colonizing culturally. We may not be forcefully taken over new lands, but our McDonalds sure are.

Oh, and this guy would fit right in with the MS crowd...

"How come it usually shows thousands of people in BFE, somewhere throwing a temper tantrum and lighting anything combustible nearby on fire. It's usually like a Tuesday afternoon; don't they have jobs or anything? Are they on their lunch break or something? And why is there so much dirt over there? How can you care about something so much to be that mad for so long. I couldn't do it, after like 2 hours I would be like "Forget this; I'm going to play Xbox. Anyone want to come?"

**thesightless** · March 1, 2006, 02:35:23 PM

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thats another thing that irks the shit outta me.

all those ppl who whine about businesses based in america being in thier countries have one easy thing to do about it. DONT WALK IN THE DOOR. let them go out of business.

**miketpoto** · March 2, 2006, 07:42:17 PM

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Not COLONIZING.... OCCUPYING FORCIBLY

There is little remote unclaimed land left on earth to be colonized by anyone.

**Yao** · March 3, 2006, 08:21:39 PM

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lol

I do understand the cultural colonization though, it's a big issue even in Europe man. And as for 'not installing puppets': that is the problem: the US is doing that...in Afghanistan, in Iraq, they tried and still try in South America...

**KinKyJ** · March 4, 2006, 04:50:50 PM

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Originally posted by Yao

lol

I do understand the cultural colonization though, it's a big issue even in Europe man. And as for 'not installing puppets': that is the problem: the US is doing that...in Afghanistan, in Iraq, they tried and still try in South America...

Not sure whether they're really doing that (installing puppets that is), but you can't blame everybody for thinking that with precedents like Noriega in Panama and ermmmm, what was the name of the fucker the US supported big time during the war between Iraq and Iran? Ow yeah, Sadam [/sarcasm]

As for fundamentalism (rather call it that than Islamism): you have to be a complete ignorant to deny that it IS already a global threat. That's actually last week's news. In '95 I've bought a book called "Challenges and threats of the new millenium" in which a number of soicologists and political specialists gave their view on the coming trends. Guess what was one of the threats constantly returning? Extremism in combination with terrorism.

Now, that as such doesn't scare me that much. What worries me the most is that the Bush administration is still stuck in the Cold War discours and tackles the problems at hand the same way they would handle a CW crisis. The enemy is no longer a state/political enity with a uniformed army and a sovereign territory, it's a global underground network of independant cells. So bombing a country back to the stone age and deploying a huge military force has little return on investment (just look at Iraq).

On top of that, if you'd ask any terrorist who he'd vote for, Bush or Kerry, he'd probably say Bush. Why? Simply because starting an illegal war that led to a situation where the civilian population suffers great losses (doesn't matter from which side), torturing and humiliating people in prisons and locking up hundreds for years in Gitmo without any charges just proves their "right" and creates easy recruiting sources for their organisations.

Hell, I'm no madman, but if the US army dropped a bomb on my house (accidentally of course) and tortured my cousins in the very same prison the former dictator used have people tortured, I'd fly an airliner into a US landmark any day of the week and twice on Sundays...

**Yao** · March 5, 2006, 09:37:08 AM

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lol

+1

**miketpoto** · March 8, 2006, 03:19:07 PM

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Originally posted by KinKyJ

Hell, I'm no madman, but if the US army dropped a bomb on my house (accidentally of course) and tortured my cousins in the very same prison the former dictator used have people tortured, I'd fly an airliner into a US landmark any day of the week and twice on Sundays...

I love you.

**KinKyJ** · March 10, 2006, 08:09:51 AM

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Originally posted by miketpoto

I love you.

I bet you say that to all the guys

**geoffgulley** · March 10, 2006, 09:48:50 AM

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Originally posted by KinKyJ

Not sure whether they're really doing that (installing puppets that is), but you can't blame everybody for thinking that with precedents like Noriega in Panama and ermmmm, what was the name of the fucker the US supported big time during the war between Iraq and Iran? Ow yeah, Sadam [/sarcasm]

As for fundamentalism (rather call it that than Islamism): you have to be a complete ignorant to deny that it IS already a global threat. That's actually last week's news. In '95 I've bought a book called "Challenges and threats of the new millenium" in which a number of soicologists and political specialists gave their view on the coming trends. Guess what was one of the threats constantly returning? Extremism in combination with terrorism.

Now, that as such doesn't scare me that much. What worries me the most is that the Bush administration is still stuck in the Cold War discours and tackles the problems at hand the same way they would handle a CW crisis. The enemy is no longer a state/political enity with a uniformed army and a sovereign territory, it's a global underground network of independant cells. So bombing a country back to the stone age and deploying a huge military force has little return on investment (just look at Iraq).

On top of that, if you'd ask any terrorist who he'd vote for, Bush or Kerry, he'd probably say Bush. Why? Simply because starting an illegal war that led to a situation where the civilian population suffers great losses (doesn't matter from which side), torturing and humiliating people in prisons and locking up hundreds for years in Gitmo without any charges just proves their "right" and creates easy recruiting sources for their organisations.

Hell, I'm no madman, but if the US army dropped a bomb on my house (accidentally of course) and tortured my cousins in the very same prison the former dictator used have people tortured, I'd fly an airliner into a US landmark any day of the week and twice on Sundays...

well put..... i think half (or more) of the problem with americans is that we don't travel enough to have any kind of inkling on how other cultures/people live. seriously, i know people here in ohio who have never been to canada... and as lewis black says "even drunk on a dare you make it to canada". all we tend to do is give the rest of the world the finger, do what we want and then say how wonderful we are and if you don't like it fuck off.... trust me, i love living here but the general population's knowledge of other people, places and things is abhorent.

**miketpoto** · March 14, 2006, 03:08:12 AM

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Originally posted by KinKyJ

I bet you say that to all the guys

Nah, the onIy consistent thing I say 2 aII the guys is "SwaIIow!!!"

cool read. honest opinions.

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