Bush Approval Dips to 33%

[thesightless]

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[KinKyJ]

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I say DAYAM you really are cheap! Where do I sign?

Btw, what was this thread about again?

[thesightless]

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your uncanny resemblence to oakie?

[anonin]

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i agree with sightless (anonin in agreement with thesightless shocker!!!11!!!! ), the money aspect of it all is absolutely crucial.

[toasty]

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... and you swallow nearly everything he forces down your throat... because of an 18% tax cut?

Not only that -- and this is not directed at sightless, by the way, just at the public at large -- but so many people look at the tax bracket they're in and ignore other economic factors that can make a difference in taxation and income.

For example, if the tax rate goes down but certain deductions you rely upon are eliminated, is it a net gain or loss? I've heard talk about doing away with the deduction for mortgage interest. For many taxpayers, that will have a larger impact upon what they pay in tax than a % point or two in their tax rate.

Moreover, is it better to have low taxes but poor job security and low pay, or higher taxes but better pay and more job security? I'd rather pay a lot on a lot than a little on a little. I've never really thought the president had a lot to do with the ups and downs of the economy, but for me, having a more robust economy in general seems to have a larger impact on how much cash I have in my pocket than the tax rate. It's nice to be able to invest with confidence.

I'm actually a fiscal conservative and I fucking hate paying taxes. Fucking hate it. If some politician were to suggest to me that my taxes need to be raised, I'm thinking, "You'd better have a damn good reason, and you'd better not be just planning on pumping this into some bloated bureaucratic clusterfuck. I want to see a chain of custody of my tax dollars to whatever it is that is requiring this tax hike."

I have come to learn, though, that it's more a big picture thing. At the end of the day, I'm a lot more interested in my bank account balance than I am with what tax rate I'm paying. It's all about the bottom line.

[thesightless]

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say the word and ill open this can o worms. however, the thing toasty mentioned about the deduction loss. well, they have been looking into it since the mid 90's. it is the wonderful idea of jimmy carter's admin to lokc the Alt min, tax at a number, not allowing for inflation. (DUMBASS) you dont neccessarily lose any deductions until you pull in over 200k. they are scaled back by the AMT.

and this is a capitalist country, job security shouldnt be tied to taxes, cuz anyone outside of the socialist beotch YAO(j/k) knows full well that if you work harder, you stick around and get paid more. and if you are incompetent you dont deserve a high paying job. fuck anyone who disagrees with me on this one. but if i work harder than you, i deserve more.

[speciale]

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2008, please come soon.

Fuck Bush and fuck Hilary.
John McCain with the running mate of Rudy Giuliani is perfect. Anyone agree/disagree?

[toasty]

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job security shouldnt be tied to taxes

Not suggesting that they are related at all. I'm just saying that lowering the tax rate doesn't mean shit to someone who has lost their job and isn't making anything at all or who is underemployed in a dead-end job. Particularly as to those folks that tend to be in lower income brackets and for whom job security and whatnot are more serious issues because they are living paycheck to paycheck, a drop in taxes is unlikely to make a huge difference in their take-home pay. That's it.

[runningman]

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propaganda bullshit.. polls what are they good for.. and who did they ask??

[thesightless]

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Not suggesting that they are related at all. I'm just saying that lowering the tax rate doesn't mean shit to someone who has lost their job and isn't making anything at all or who is underemployed in a dead-end job. Particularly as to those folks that tend to be in lower income brackets and for whom job security and whatnot are more serious issues because they are living paycheck to paycheck, a drop in taxes is unlikely to make a huge difference in their take-home pay. That's it.

federal form TAO911 - application for taxpayer assistance via federal advocacy division. allows people who have been laid off to suspend all bankruptcy and tax debts for up to 3 years. you essentially can declare a state of bankruptcy without being bankrupt within the eyes of the law. simply provides a stay. wonderful thing for illness, unemployment, and death, and innocent spouse releif.

[Jenks]

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worst...president...ever.

[Balanc3]

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I kinda feel sorry for the guy.

[FM]

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no you don't...

[Balanc3]

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"If he uses the 'mixed messages' line one more time, I'm going to puke."

[mylexicon]

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Bush is the most incompetent president ever.

Bush is orchestrating one of the greatest conspiracies in American history.

These statements are incongruent and they are the main reason nobody with a brain listens to people who embrace both. Not saying one or the other isn't correct but you gotta pick one and stick with it.

Secondly, the two big provisions of the Bush tax cut were significantly reducing the maximum dividend tax-rate from 39%ish to 15% and reducing capital gains rates to a maximum of 15% from a max of 20%.

You need to ask yourself two questions: Do I know what a Laffer curve is? Do I understand the modern implications of the Ricardian Equivalence Model?

If the answer to either of these is "no". You need to refrain from passing judgement on the tax changes. You can complain all you want.....that's what i do. But don't try to wrap your brain around the tax law in a qualitative manner. All the major changes in the code have been to address Laffer and Ricardian Equivalence issues. The macro implications are so much larger than tax brackets, deductions, credits, and alternative taxes right now. The social engineering provisions in the Bush tax cuts were mainly just "cutey" consessions made to the micro-obsessive bastards in congress. Arguing about brackets and deductions for middle and lower-middle class citizens in the Bush tax cut is like arguing about proper gardening methods during the middle of the dust bowl.

Bush is a macro thinker, the people in the Congress and Press are all ultra micro thinkers. Not saying Bush is right but it certainly accounts for why the press hates him and most people in the Congress get pissed of when he doesn't get caught up in petty disputes. Macro thinkers have a tendency to fall pray to "ends justifies the means" and we all know how much the press loves people who don't obsess about the means. If the press had it their way almost nothing would ever get done.