Christian Theologian says WTC towers were demolished, cites evidence

[thesightless]

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thank fucking god i got that off.

[davetlv]

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Whoever did it, the Mossad has already tracked them down and cut them to pieces.

And who said you Americans get nothing for you support of Israel

Do you want us to take out some nuclear facilities in iran too?

[thesightless]

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PS those sources i used are the fucking people who designed and oversaw construction and dennis smith was one the fire consultants for the city fire dept. just to clear that up. i would think they are reliable.

[Jenks]

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And who said you Americans get nothing for you support of Israel

Do you want us to take out some nuclear facilities in iran too?

honestly, i think the mossad are at least one of the reasons we support isreal.

good book to pick up Dave-

Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad by Gordan Thomas

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312339135/sr=8-1/qid=1144258571/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5508694-4811845?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Fantastic read.

[Jenks]

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PS those sources i used are the fucking people who designed and oversaw construction and dennis smith was one the fire consultants for the city fire dept. just to clear that up. i would think they are reliable.

yeah sightless, but are they CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIANS????????

[thesightless]

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im just tired of every fucknut who puts one and one together and get 7 coming up with yet another reaosn why our government intentionally killed 3000+ people and probably going to end killing an entire generation of police, firemen, and EMS workers from contamination. not to mention, reminding me that i lost my uncle/godfather, my best friend, and a few others i was close with. add on about 4 months of funerals before i broke down and couldnt deal with it anymore.

i seriously want to punch one of these thoerists square in the throat and watch while they gasp for air while thier collasped trachea suffocates them.

[runningman]

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Damn... thought this would be the place to get a solid refutation. You guys are dissappointing!

is that a little better Delerious?

[geoffgulley]

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^^ thank you.......... but i know it won't matter.

[delirious]

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delirious, though I'm more on the side of the consipracy theory I'll play devils advocate and point out some things which were pointed out to me in a discussion with a friend who is on the other side of the fence. I, like you, believe there are too many "coincidences" and every time you question things you only get replys saying put it to rest but nothing to refute it.

Thanks for the intelligent post. My only problem with the idea that gallons of fuel caused building 7 to fall is that the video shows the building coming down perfectly symetrically. What are the chances that an explosion of this nature would cause a reaction which only a few demolition teams in the world are able to pull off?

Even the official FEMA report says that fuel causing the collapse only has a low possibility of occurance and should be further researched:

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis [fire/debris-damage-caused collapse] has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.

So much for those who say people should be quiet about it!

the planes crashed directly through the buildings (cant refute that we all saw it) and severly damaged the center cores. the floors collapsed, and here is where it gets scary. they didnt collapse partially, they collapsed wholly. one sqaure acre of concrete and steel fell directly upon its counterpart below.

Do you really believe "severe damage" to the center cores caused completely symetrical floor collapsing in two separate buildings, on the same day?

In order for a floor to fall, hundreds of joints had to break almost simultaneously on 236 exterior columns and 47 core columns.

The Collapse: An Engineer's Perspective

Are we supposed to belive this happened in two separate buildings with two separate and distinct impact points?

no floor was designed to withstand the dynamic uniform weght of a falling floor, and it too collapsed, beginning a tradgic chain reaction that only got incrementally stronger every 15 feet. then in the matter of seconds .... this took 12 seconds.

According to the official report, it took 10 seconds.

At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch9.htm

For a 1,300-foot building, however, ten seconds is almost free-fall speed. But if each floor produced just a little resistance, so that breaking through each one took a half second, the collapse of all those floors — 80 or 95 of them — would have taken 40 to 47 seconds. Can we really believe that the upper part of the buildings encountered virtually no resistance from the lower parts?

How could the collapse crush 100 steel and concrete floors while falling as fast as objects fall through air?

These are the points I wanted refuted - no more bark, more bite please

[toasty]

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Do you really believe "severe damage" to the center cores caused completely symetrical floor collapsing in two separate buildings, on the same day?

Are we supposed to belive this happened in two separate buildings with two separate and distinct impact points?

This supports my position that these buildings fell in controlled demolition because they were designed to come down in controlled demolition. Two different impacts at two different points both caused a controlled fall of the towers.

One thing you never hear about is any other evidence corroborating these conspiracy theories. Did someone set these charges at some point? Did someone detonate them? If so, why did they stagger the detonations rather than doing it at the same time? Yet, there is no reference to anyone ever doing any of these things. You'd think that if this was going on, someone would have noticed it at some point.

[delirious]

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This supports my position that these buildings fell in controlled demolition because they were designed to come down in controlled demolition. Two different impacts at two different points both caused a controlled fall of the towers.

That doesn't explain the speed at which they fell, as defailed above.

One thing you never hear about is any other evidence corroborating these conspiracy theories....

There are many theories as to how everything happened. It is up to everyone to examine the evidence and make a decision based on the available facts.

No actual models or buildings (before or since 9-11-01) have been observed to completely collapse due to the proposed fire-based mechanisms. On the other hand, dozens of buildings have been completely and symmetrically demolished through the use of pre-positioned explosives. And high-temperature chemical reactions can account for the observed large pools of molten metal, under both Towers and WTC 7, and the sulfidation of structural steel. The controlled-demolition hypothesis cannot be dismissed as "junk science" because it better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony. It ought to be seriously (scientifically) investigated and debated.

Professor S Jones
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Birmingham Young University

[toasty]

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There are many theories as to how everything happened.

No, there really aren't. There is the theory that two planes were flown into the WTC Towers which set into motion a chain of events that led to their collapse. The rest of it, as far as I'm concerned, is bullshit contrived by people with nothing better to do than to stir up shit to make themselves seem more important (not directed at you, directed at the clowns that come up with these "theories.").

I do not have to give something credence just because someone says it and someone else decides to print it. That, my friend, is how propaganda gets spread. Based upon your previous posts, you're clearly a bleeding heart liberal -- don't you know this is how the Republican Noise Machine works?

OK, I have a theory that the WTC Towers collapsed because it was an uncharacteristically windy day. Are you telling me that I'm entitled to not have people mock me, and that my theory ought to be given respect and consideration? Come on. This has nothing to do with being close-minded or intolerant. This has to do with recognizing the difference between sanity and madness.

[neoee]

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^^^ Need I remind you there has been a fair amount of conspiracy theories that were later proven true? Watergate and ECHELON seem to ring bells.

Looking the other way (as do many nay sayers) doesen't help put them to rest. Bring forth facts and discussing the issues (as you have done) does. Simply labeling it or the people that create them serves no real purpose.

There are far too many coincidences with 9/11 to simply look away. Questioning them should be seen as healthy. Else your sending a message that this can be done, in the future, by our own. It'll be no big deal since anyone coming forward will just be labeled a kook and discredited.

[tsesan]

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Does anyone of you think we will ever be able to prove any consipracy theory on 911? Whoever is responsible, innocent lives were lost. And I doubt we will ever be able to bring the mastermind to justice, whether it be Osama, Israel, or one of our own.

This administration is a fuck-up, and all I care about is getting these people out of power. They are a disgrace whether or not they conspired on 911.

[neoee]

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Even IF we knew with absolute certianty that the theory was true, I still don't believe it would be proven as such, but with all the "coincidences" and doubt there is reason to investigate, even if only to prove the theory wrong.