Are we on the brink of WWIII ?

[thesightless]

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i love this one.

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Current: Other than Iran and Syria, who else has sway over Hezbollah? Surprisingly, DNC chairman Howard Dean says it's the Democrats.

At San Diego State University over the weekend, Dean gave an amazing speech in which he actually said that Hezbollah and Hamas would not have provoked Israel into an attack if the Democrats were in charge because his political party has the "moral authority" of "Bill Clinton" (yes, that Bill Clinton, the guy who bombed Muslim nations periodically when he needed to distract attention from his extramarital affairs - apparently this really impresses religious zealots).

Dean goes on to slam the Republicans on national defense: "How tough can you be on defense if five years after 9/11, Osama bin Laden is still at large, the Iranians are about to get nuclear weapons, and North Korea's quadrupled their nuclear weapons stash?"

Oh, I don't know probably tougher than the party that thrice rejected Sudan's offer to turn over Bin Laden five years before 9/11, saw to it that Iran turned from a Western-friendly nation to a Mullahcracy in 1979, and allowed North Korea to go nuclear in the first place... but that's just the way our disgruntled editor sees it.

if that is really a howard dean comment, its pretty funny. he is esssentially implying we should take more fighting on, taking out NK's and iran's nukes. pretty good for a guy who campaigned against the war he voted for to begin with. US democrats everyone. they have flown under the radar since megatron took office.

[KinKyJ]

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...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
Qur'an, Sura 9:5

I'm not a Bible specialist, but I'm sure there are plenty of passages in both the Old as in the New Testament which justify slaying heathens as well

[davetlv]

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I'm not a Bible specialist, but I'm sure there are plenty of passages in both the Old as in the New Testament which justify slaying heathens as well

Indeed there might be, but how many Jews or Christians will you find that are prepared to murder non-believers?

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[thesightless]

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lmao @ the second one.

[KinKyJ]

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^^^what he said

[KinKyJ]

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Indeed there might be, but how many Jews or Christians will you find that are prepared to murder non-believers

Oh, give me a couple of weeks and the budget to fly around the world to find some desperate idiots. I'll promise them 72 virgins in the afterlife and they'll even be prepared to have coitus with beanz.

[evangelion]

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What exactly can they solve now that they haven't been able to solve for the past serveral thousand years, and how?

once and for all, they are standing up for themselves, rather than looking elsewhere, and playing the poor me card. sadly, it is taking violence. but how far can a society be pushed before it pushes back. they have been pushed out of every region that now incorporates iran, turkey, the 3 countries between the black and caspian sea, all the way south to egypt and into saudi arabia. yes, at one point in history prior to 600 AD, the jews lived there. now, along the lines of these events, the christians are being pushed out as well in the southern regions. wait until they get pissed. they dont flee, they crusade.

Exactly what he said.

"Religion is a crutch for weak minded people" - Gov. Jesse Ventura

Agreed.

Yey relegion sucks.
The spanish inquisition killed more people than Hilter, but we don't hate the spanish.
I do think though that faith has alot of power, sadly at the moment we see hate faith producing sucide bombers rather than Mother Thresa.

Again...agreed.

but what they dont tell you is that the militants and thier supporters actually opt to bring the children along to make us say "they are killing inncocent". if you send your kid into a warzone, dont be angry when the guy sitting next to them holding a bazooka has a 1100 pound bomb dropped on his van. CNN had one of thier reporters behind the line with hamas and they actually bring scores of chilren around with them while they attack people. call it training on their behlf.

But you'll never hear that on the news....left or right leaning. It's always better to go for the humanitarian angle and say "Look at the dead children!!!" with no clarification or elaboration on how or why they died. "If it bleeds, it leads."

sorry but im sick of the halliburton comments over the years by people who watched that fat fuck michael moore's movies and "reports".

Exactly...just more anti-war/anti-Bush rhetoric to toss around. The same shit any anti-war lib has been spouting for the past 3 years..."No WMDs!!!"..."Only for oil!!!"..."Haliburton!!!" Damn, that shit gets old.

I'm not a Bible specialist, but I'm sure there are plenty of passages in both the Old as in the New Testament which justify slaying heathens as well

Look no further than The Crusades. Have I said "Fuck religion" yet??

[thesightless]

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1. the crusades arent even comparaable to recent events. idealogically, the idea is correct, but in fact, its bunk.
a. government, and the idea of it, was barely in the infant stage.
b. due in fact to.... the lack of media, transportation, SCIENCE, communication, history and medicine.
c. all the people knew at the time was thier religion. the only thing they feared, was thier god. who closer to god than the papacy at the time.
d. THEY WERE LAUNCHED IN RETAILIATION TO THE MUSLIM CONQUEST after the european region recovered from the bubonic plague. (google/wiki ''conquest of jerusalem'') which is what our cunnrent situation is all about.
e. after all that, then they got greedy, forcing out the last of the moorish and muslim peoples who had settled into the area.


god, didnt anyone pay attention in history class?
2. im on fire.

[evangelion]

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Ok, but what does any of that have to do with the fact that The Crusades were religiously motivated massacres...which was my only point??

[thesightless]

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essentially, they were governmentally motivated as the papacy was the government. and it wasnt done in an effort of expansion. it was done in defense. i guess that's my point. there simply put, wasnt anything else. its all they knew. you were divided into societies based upon the deities you worshipped, not your political views, nor where you were from. if you were born in italy, all you were was a catholic. not an italian, not a democrat, just a catholic. you need to step back and realize it was a complete different era with different thinking. im not saying it was right, but ppl who bring it up need to realize that all it was back then was your church and family.

[evangelion]

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I see what you mean, but I'm not going nearly that deep. Part of the distain I have for religion is because of church sanctioned genocide like The Crusades. Period...end of story.

[thesightless]

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well, dont worry, there were only 5 true religiously lead crusades. 3 happened all at once. the catholics spreading back out from italy, back into persia, north into the german lands, and west into france. the 4th occured when the papacy wanted to reclaim constantinople, and the 5th wasnt after these, but during. its called the muslim conquest. sadly, its still going on in africa and india.

but if we want to get into semantics, the population of the globe is essentially a giant christian expansion. albeit peaceful for most of it. the real violence occured in central and southern africa when the euro colonies imperialized the world.

[thesightless]

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hey, listen, and hear me out on this. it might take you a minute to understand why and how.


the more im reading about the lebanon shit, the more i notice that thier government isnt getting up in rhetoric, but actually seems OK with allowing isreal to rid them of this vile element of its population. they called off their army, pulled it north, and isnt even sending a lot of aid into the region outside of helping evacuations.

now, remember last year. what it took to get syria out of lebanon. and the reaction of the lebanese people in regards to the assassinations afterwards.

then, for the last two days, trucks with explosives and weapons have been destroyed by the IAF coming in from syria. syria is openly showing its hand in attacking lebanon. while the attack does not come from the front line, it comes from the back, via support, weapons, money and supplies.

does anyone think that it might serve international interests of long term peace, and democracy in the region if lebanese government and isreali government simply come to a basic agreement to defend the region as a whole, if only for a short time, from terrorist and extremist elements that are funded by foreign relgious leadershp under the guise of government.

ie. what if they got together and agreed to fight this one 2 fronts. lebanese military could initiate a response to those in syria which elect to continually send aramants into hezbollahs hands. while isreal, takes on the lebanese based hezzie's whoa re currently fighting them.

it actually accomplishes much, while allowing both governments to act in defense of their citizens, it shows a stronger attitude toward peace, and also shows that two of the stronger democracies(syria's being jsut that and nothing more quite yet, YET) will unite and work for a common goal. also the addition of lebanon into the so called war on terror would garner much sympathy from a much needed group of people. the muslim population. no one wants to see thier own people attacked or do the attacking, so if a larger contingent of the muslim population, especially one that has yet to have US military in its backyard, shows a desire to voice up towards peace and democracy, it can only help spread those ideals which, i personally think, that a lot of the people in the middle east want, but are either afraid or unmotivated to speak.

and in regards to iranian interference, let them jump in. because the UN and the current nations with military in the region, wouldnt hesitate to remove a man who has already violated millions of people of thier human rights, forcing people to wear identification based on religion. remember the last time people had to do that.




also, at the basic human need for society and social interaction without fear..it very well could be a simple stepping stone for the beginning of a peaceful co existence between two peoples who, right now, need jsut that. we shouldnt have to hear the same story and watch the same news forever regarding this. someday, a generation will grow up in gaza where a jew and muslim and a christian can all grow up together without harboring an unearned, unneeded, deep rooted hatred for each other. its happened everywhere else in the world.

eh..... one can only hope.

[thesightless]

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seriously, im destined to help this species in a great manner. and i dont mean creating a strand of weed via cross pollenation that is undetectable and incredibly potent. (movie?)

[KinKyJ]

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hey, listen, and hear me out on this. it might take you a minute to understand why and how.


the more im reading about the lebanon shit, the more i notice that thier government isnt getting up in rhetoric, but actually seems OK with allowing isreal to rid them of this vile element of its population. they called off their army, pulled it north, and isnt even sending a lot of aid into the region outside of helping evacuations.

now, remember last year. what it took to get syria out of lebanon. and the reaction of the lebanese people in regards to the assassinations afterwards.

then, for the last two days, trucks with explosives and weapons have been destroyed by the IAF coming in from syria. syria is openly showing its hand in attacking lebanon. while the attack does not come from the front line, it comes from the back, via support, weapons, money and supplies.

does anyone think that it might serve international interests of long term peace, and democracy in the region if lebanese government and isreali government simply come to a basic agreement to defend the region as a whole, if only for a short time, from terrorist and extremist elements that are funded by foreign relgious leadershp under the guise of government.

ie. what if they got together and agreed to fight this one 2 fronts. lebanese military could initiate a response to those in syria which elect to continually send aramants into hezbollahs hands. while isreal, takes on the lebanese based hezzie's whoa re currently fighting them.

it actually accomplishes much, while allowing both governments to act in defense of their citizens, it shows a stronger attitude toward peace, and also shows that two of the stronger democracies(syria's being jsut that and nothing more quite yet, YET) will unite and work for a common goal. also the addition of lebanon into the so called war on terror would garner much sympathy from a much needed group of people. the muslim population. no one wants to see thier own people attacked or do the attacking, so if a larger contingent of the muslim population, especially one that has yet to have US military in its backyard, shows a desire to voice up towards peace and democracy, it can only help spread those ideals which, i personally think, that a lot of the people in the middle east want, but are either afraid or unmotivated to speak.

and in regards to iranian interference, let them jump in. because the UN and the current nations with military in the region, wouldnt hesitate to remove a man who has already violated millions of people of thier human rights, forcing people to wear identification based on religion. remember the last time people had to do that.




also, at the basic human need for society and social interaction without fear..it very well could be a simple stepping stone for the beginning of a peaceful co existence between two peoples who, right now, need jsut that. we shouldnt have to hear the same story and watch the same news forever regarding this. someday, a generation will grow up in gaza where a jew and muslim and a christian can all grow up together without harboring an unearned, unneeded, deep rooted hatred for each other. its happened everywhere else in the world.

eh..... one can only hope.

Well, the more you read, the more you start making sense Sean.