Are we on the brink of WWIII ?

[Yao]

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Agree on the latter point, but you see: there's 2 sides to it. some people just prefer to see one.

[asdf_admin]

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this is really getting really ugly.

"Hezbollah guerrillas fire 700+ rockets at Israeli towns..." title from drudge.

[asdf_admin]

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wow!

Palestinians Stream in Through Egypt
Jul 14 11:45 AM US/Eastern
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RAFAH, Gaza Strip

Hundreds of people poured into the Gaza Strip from Egypt on Friday after Palestinians blew a hole in the border wall separating the two places, an Associated Press reporter at the scene said.

People carrying suitcases crossed into Gaza through the hole. Some walked through on crutches, others ran and walked.

The border has largely been closed since June 25 when Palestinian militants carried out a cross-border raid on a military outpost, killing two Israeli soldiers and capturing one. Hundreds of people have been stranded on the Egyptian side of the border, unable to get to their homes in Gaza.

[lancecashion]

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when you invade countries, kill innocent people, break every international law possible, destroy people's houses, occupy land that doesn't belong to you then you have opened the mother of all floodgates.

what a hypocrite, you should be the last person to talk about aggression. Nobody does it better than Israel. What's a jewish country doing in the middle of 30 Arab countries. Go back to Germany or russia, it's where the majority of jews living in israel now came from.

It's nice having America on your side. Oh and by the way, do any of you americans know where billions of your tax money goes? Yes, you guessed it, NOT loans BUT donations to israel. Israel has no economy and relied on the US throughout its history to bankroll its existence in the middle east.

simple no?

The land that Israell sits on was controlled by the British and owned by wealthy Turkish land owners... The land was bought. That is why there are a bunch of 'Jews' in the middle of a bunch of Arab countries... Check your history in regards to the 6 Day War as well. A war that began over Egypt blokade of the Straits of Tiran. That is how Israel took control of Gaza, Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the Siani Penn.

Your inflamitor suggestion of "Go back to Germany or russia, it's where the majority of jews living in israel now came from" is ludicrous and has not factual basis since most of the Jews living in Israell were born there.. BTW, There are more Jews living in NYC than in Israel.

And I found it a little bit sad to see Lance, someone I have respected as an artist for quite some time, start to lean to the right more and more with his theories. I[/color]

Its sad that I lean right and my opinion differs from yours? I am right leaning, is there something wrong with that? Doesn't seem to bother my friends, production partners and supporters who happen to be on the left. We just happen to disagree. I know with in the "music industry" I am a minority. I take pride in my djing and music.

The great thing about music is its ability to reach across borders and personal differences to communicate a shared human experience on the highest level. Sufi Izrat Kahn calls music the highest form of art. And I agree.

That said, I DO NOT expect you to tune into The Sound today at 3pm on www.protonradio.com for my show b/c you don't respect my political views.

have a good weekend everyone.

LC

UN Resolutions... Bush made a mistake that Regan would not have made.

http://www.casi.org.uk/info/scriraq.html

[asdf_admin]

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Go right wingers! Whoo - Ra!

I will tune in!

[lancecashion]

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shameless plug of sorts...

BTW, 3pm EST LOL

[thesightless]

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1. im hateing the dirty word being dropped more and more in the last two days.... IRAN

2. lance you are 100% correct there. and alex and I are personal friends, but some people, especially around our circles of house music fans, producers, djs and reviewers, need to realize that people are different. i lean right on most issues outside of social policy, and i used to be chastized for it. just because some people lean a little republican doesnt even come close to meaning we are war mongering, oppressive followers of GW and his cronies. they make COBRA look nice. the world has never once been about peace love happiness. people just chose and contunue to choose to be two faced about choices. when the iraq shithole started everything was "its wrong, it evil, war is terrible", but all those people, whether you were politically or humenitarily motivated in your opinions opted to ignore all the things we were making right and all the things that were horrific outside of the daily CNN buzzwords.

[Jenks]

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That said, I DO NOT expect you to tune into The Sound today at 3pm on www.protonradio.com for my show b/c you don't respect my political views.

way to work that in there lance. lol.

[sono]

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The land that Israell sits on was controlled by the British and owned by wealthy Turkish land owners... The land was bought. That is why there are a bunch of 'Jews' in the middle of a bunch of Arab countries... Check your history in regards to the 6 Day War as well. A war that began over Egypt blokade of the Straits of Tiran. That is how Israel took control of Gaza, Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the Siani Penn.

Do you actually know what you are talking about?

The land was bought? that's a new one to me. I never read in a history book where it was said someone bought a country. Oh, and your history backlog starts in 1967? interesting.

Israel has no rights over East jerusalem, Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights or Sinai.

Have a look here. You can't get more moderate than the BBC and the UN and watch how israel took land bit by bit illegally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm

[lancecashion]

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Do you actually know what you are talking about?

The land was bought? that's a new one to me. I never read in a history book where it was said someone bought a country. Oh, and your history backlog starts in 1967? interesting.

Israel has no rights over East jerusalem, Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights or Sinai.

Have a look here. You can't get more moderate than the BBC and the UN and watch how israel took land bit by bit illegally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...el_founded.stm

Sono, you are dead wrong my friend. Counrties and parts of have been bought and sold throughout history. Lousiana was purchased from the French, Alaska was purchased from the Russians. Those are just two examples in the US. If you open a history book, you will find more information regarding the purchase of land in Isael than on some BBC website splash page that is made up by 2 paragraphs. You consider that history?

In regards to land gained as a part of war... Your train of thought suggests that the USA should give back Texas, New Mexico and parts of Colorado to Mexico b/c the land was in effect, a spoil of war.

Israel capture those territories after they were invaded by several countries at once (6 Day War). Not only did Isael repel the invaders and win the war... they captured additional lands. BTW, they gave back the bulk of the land for peace... in return they get rockets shot at them.

When I consider the BBC and UN moderate.... then....


LOL

Sounds like you are a little bitter man. Liberalism is a mental disorder

have a nice weekend

LC

[thesightless]

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Do you actually know what you are talking about?

The land was bought? that's a new one to me. I never read in a history book where it was said someone bought a country. Oh, and your history backlog starts in 1967? interesting.

Israel has no rights over East jerusalem, Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights or Sinai.

Have a look here. You can't get more moderate than the BBC and the UN and watch how israel took land bit by bit illegally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...el_founded.stm

if we are gonna go to the backdates in history, lets really go back. because , if anything, the jews and christian tribes both hold prescedence over the land. it was the muslim conquest that forced them to flee. they were there before islam, and long before it. they have the true rights to the land. just because it was a few hundred years ago doesnt suddenly make it not applicable. im sick of all these sicko bastards calling about how isreal is illegal. the muslims being in egypt, isreal, gaza, EVEN IRAQ and the persian regions is all based on a military conquest in effort to religiously cleanse the area of non mulims. just the facts ma'mam, just the facts. so i guess, if you are applying the anti isreali, histrically based, pro islam ideas, all it will take for isreal to be accepted, is for isreal to begin ethnically cleansing islam out of the area.

[thesightless]

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one more thing.

i am so sick of the BBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC all going on about how isreal is hurting the people of gaza and lebanon. its the fucking people doing this shit. it isnt a rules of war batallion in uniform acting on the government. its people acting on pure racism and hatred. they have to deal with the reprecussions. if your brother is making bombs in your backyard, dont act surprised when a bomb blows your house to the ground and kills your children. you and they shouldnt be near it.

oh yeah, as of about 3 hours ago, the number of people killed in the name of this religion since monday, topped 500. not bad for 5 days of work. and we want to be peaceful? someone go tell the families of the 14 school kids who were blown up in kashmir on wednesday because they attended a school that caters to christians and buddists.

[XO1]

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Well put Sean...well put.

[thesightless]

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hey ill be the first person before poto to tell you i can and will be an asshole talking politics most of the time, mainly because of over opinionated and uneducated posts about trifle shit within the US gov't. especially the idiots who call this country oppressive becuase they tap phones without telling you. outside of recreational drugs being legal there isnt a freedom we dont have that someone else does. but it serious topics, where me, my friends, or my family are affected, and furthermore, where the situation could possibly explode into something much greater, i will be honest, fair, and realistic. the best thing someone can try to do is understand the other side. this thought came from a book a professor i TA'd for gave me. it was called history from the other side. and it was a collection of events as if they were told from the loser's side. i.e. imagine a textbook if hitler won, they handled the american expansion from the natives side, and handled the cold war from russia as well as many others.

but frankly, the more i tried to understand the muslim community and events after 9/11, the more i found sole fault to be thiers. its quite sad to admit, but you cannot disregard that an entire population in general has done nothing throughout history outside of either fighting amoung each other or trying to eliminate the judeo, christian, and buddist religions from the area. and furthermore they are even pushing the envelope in asia now. indonesia, imo, is merely the next staging ground for those with unworthy motivation. africa too. if you really want to know what they are capable of doing, go research somalia's current situation. the islamic militias are pushing throughout the country, killing of tribal people, coptic christians and the little jewish/catholic prescence there. and i dont mean quieting them, they literally are killing them and installing sharia thorughout the region. this is only showing to be a turning point in history, for the middle east, asia, and europe. we have all suffered, the US in particular losing 3k innocent lives.

and in the end, for all the hullabaloo, i cant find that they are right, justified, or even humane. just look in iraq where this sudden explosion of attacks on mosques is occuring. all because the people there suddenly showed a motivation to have themselves represented and let the people dictate the law. the few people, lead by some clerics seeking power, have literally resorted to killing thier neighbors, not to hang onto power, because they know they lost it, but to try to make everyone regret the progression into the 21st century.

[KinKyJ]

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Sono, you are dead wrong my friend. Counrties and parts of have been bought and sold throughout history. Lousiana was purchased from the French, Alaska was purchased from the Russians. Those are just two examples in the US. If you open a history book, you will find more information regarding the purchase of land in Isael than on some BBC website splash page that is made up by 2 paragraphs. You consider that history?

In regards to land gained as a part of war... Your train of thought suggests that the USA should give back Texas, New Mexico and parts of Colorado to Mexico b/c the land was in effect, a spoil of war.

Israel capture those territories after they were invaded by several countries at once (6 Day War). Not only did Isael repel the invaders and win the war... they captured additional lands. BTW, they gave back the bulk of the land for peace... in return they get rockets shot at them.

When I consider the BBC and UN moderate.... then....


LOL

Sounds like you are a little bitter man. Liberalism is a mental disorder

have a nice weekend

LC

Three things I have to say to this:

1. As far as your point on territory is concerned, you sound like the Serbian war criminal Ratko Mladic who said: "Borders are drawn with blood and marked with tombstones." I'm not judging WHAT you wrote cuz I don't think in the current situation it has ANY relevance at all.

However, if Israel would recognize Palestina as a souvereign state, I think a lot of neighbouring countries would be less rabiate anti-Israel. Yes I know Israel has made great efforts during the past few months by wrapping up a number of settlements (big respect to Sharon for having the political courage to make that decission), but I think another step should be taken. Not because one of the parties involved is more right than the other, but just because it would facilitate a number of things.

2. Concerning that totally unsubstantiated slogan in which you say the BBC and the UN aren't moderate... Well, let's see... Being a former journalist, I probably don't know shit about media, but the BBC has always been and still is the general standard of balanced reporting and ethical journalism. Being a former political journalist, I probably don't know shit about politics either, but if there's one moderate organisation on this globe, it's the UN.

3.Liberalism is a mental disorder??? Oh please man, grow up will ya? I don't agree with liberals either (in the US meaning of the word, in Europe liberals (like me) are right wing), but that doesn't mean I don't respect their opinion. Calling an opinion a mental disorder puts you on the same level as muslim fundamentalists. Hell, it makes you even Hitler and Stalin's love child...

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Listen Lance, I don't know you, so what I'm about to say is only based on what you've posted in this thread. You say sono's bitter, but I think you yourself are the bitter person. I'll tell you why...

You bash the UN by lifting out the OFF programme and in general because (at least I think that's the reason) the UN didn't support the invasion of Iraq. In the mean time you ignore the humanitarian work they do as well as the succesful peace keeping missions in Africa and the Balkan.

You bash the BBC because they don't share your point of view in the way they present the facts. In the mean time you ignore the fact that the BBC is a landmark as far as journalism is concerned.

You bash people who don't share your point of view by posting insults and hardly any facts or arguments. Very easy, yet very lame too.

You made an effort to reply to my post, but when I retort and even ask you to elaborate on one of your statements, you simply move on and find someone easier to attack.

I'm sorry Lance, but the fact of the matter is that the current situation and its history as well as the international influences are a little more complex than you present them. You're entitled to have that opinion as far as I'm concerned, but defend it with a minimum of dignity instead of talking in slogans and calling names. That's called respect...