Are we on the brink of WWIII ?

[beanzncheez]

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You meddle and you never learn.

And you're obviously still a retard. Next.

[Morgan]

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pointless

[KinKyJ]

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And you're obviously still a retard. Next.

And you're obviously still in need of attention. Please keep it serious and decent in this thread beanz. Or go sit at the kid's table. Next

[evangelion]

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^^^ Unreal man.... those people are the ones that are wanting to "wipe" another race off the planet and now they try and reach out to the "emotional" side of humanity....

if that isn't hypocrasy at its finest, we must be studying from different dictionaries.

BS Jan and you damn well know that.... there are far worse atrocities from this war that I can google and paste pictures of in here. Bottom line, you can't pick ONE photo to point out right or wrong simply because THIS is the consequence of a war they CHOSE to bring upon themselves.

I'm glad you saw through that wanna-be tear jerker. Of course no one has died from the rockets being shoved down Isreal's throat 100 times daily, only innocent Lebonese children. The Isrealis actually have those new kid-seeking missles, so that is all they are hitting. The Isrealis are using laser-guided weapons, Hezbollah is shooting unguided missles into residential areas. And Isreal is in the wrong??

The other side of the coin.

Tell ya what then, let's round up every Lebanese we can find, put them on a train and gas them. I bet Auschwitz still has some working collective "showers".

I'm trying my hardest to see what this has to do with anything. But I can't.

[KinKyJ]

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Appears Annan wants to send
a UN coalition force to Lebanon
Good idea or not?

Gotta agree with Jenks' one liner.

Troops under the mandate of the UN are called peace keepers because that's what they do: keeping the peace, not enforcing it. The war in Bosnia provided a painful example of that when the Dutch UN soldiers who were supposed to protect the muslim enclave of Srebrenica got set aside by the Serb army who went in and massacred everyting with a heartbeat.

Maybe UN forces can do some good after the hostilities have stopped (humanitarian aid, police functions, and logistics for example like KFOR did/does in the Balkan).

As for interfering in the conflict: at this point that's a very bad idea imo because Iran (and probably Syria too) will see this as an excuse to go and "help their muslim brothers (again abuse of the religion) brutally attacked by the western dogs and zionist pigs." They'll even make it look like the international community (or the US or NATO) triggered a full scale war itself...

I'm sure Israel can handle this adventure without any interference. As long as there's no interference on the other side either, that is. Iran suddenly attacking Israel is imo a valid justification to have a formation of Stealths taking off from their base in Italy and dropping our best regards on Teheran...

[thesightless]

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ok, enough with the pics, its a shame cameras werent around in the 600-700's when the war that forced the jews and christians out of the region. imagine what they did back then when in the 21st century they are hanging burning dimembering torturing people.


2001, the hands of 3 american soldiers who were captured but refused to convert.


somalia, two weeks ago. this is a coptic christian who fought against sharia.



theo van gogh, he made a movie with ayan hirsi.


couple of bodies in madrid.



these guys fell in love, guess what, they didnt break the knot.



cartoons huh


show both sides.

[unkownartist]

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your all missing a majour point here, these pictures could of easily came out of iraq or afghanistan, personally i find it funny that such a fuss has been made about it when its not a western civilisation that has been doing this but then again you wont be shown this by the media if it were british or american troops responsible for it, it makes you think about how selfish in a way the western civilisation is as a whole, if we were to see this and know the people were responsible for it were to be from the western hemisphere ( or what ever ) you would look @ it in a different light.

[davetlv]

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Kinky, I agree with you (I know, i'm suprised too!), Israel can take care of this one, the only question is whether the so-called west will allow us to.

Hizbollah and Hamas are hell bent on the destruction of not only my country but Lebanon and Palestine as well.

Hizbollah and Hamas, those two go together as well as their two sponsers Syria and Iran.

This level of fundamentalism, as opposed to Palestinian nationalism because there is a huge difference, started to raise its ugly head after the Iranian revolution. Maybe its time that the head of the snake was finally removed.

Jordan, Egypt and many of the Gulf States will be quietly cheering if that is the case, as they are all petrified of thier own fundamentalist.

[KinKyJ]

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I'm glad you saw through that wanna-be tear jerker. Of course no one has died from the rockets being shoved down Isreal's throat 100 times daily, only innocent Lebonese children. The Isrealis actually have those new kid-seeking missles, so that is all they are hitting. The Isrealis are using laser-guided weapons, Hezbollah is shooting unguided missles into residential areas. And Isreal is in the wrong??

No one said Israel is in the wrong. No one said that there were only casualties on Lebaneze side.

You should keep in mind that being critical isn't the same as being against. I used to work as a journalist so call it a occupational illness of mine to question everything...

And I didn't post those pics to make an anti-Israelian statement. I just wanted to give everyone who was talking about this crisis as if it were a videogame a reality check by showing what is happening on the terrain. If you go back a few pages, you'll see that it isn't the first time I make a post about the humanitarian side of the story.

Yes, Dave posting those pics of Israelian girls writing messages on the bombs triggered my response. But only because it shocked me. Kids should be kept as far away as possible from violence. Especially in a country where I can imagine growing up normally not very obvious when you've got suicide bombers or Kartucha missiles on the menu nearly non stop...

I'm trying my hardest to see what this has to do with anything. But I can't.

Don't worry, it seems that I've expressed myself poorly since a lot of people took it the wrong way. I was just being hyper sarcastic towards the people who were saying that the civilian population should bear the consequence of electing Hezbollah. To me that sounded a bit like an excuse for a genocide, like the life of a Lebaneze is worth less than another life... To wrap it up: it sounded a but like the Nazi discours. That's the link... Nothing more, nothing less.

I think everyone here knows me well enough not to accuse me of antisemitism or racism...

Right, let's get back on topic now, shall we?

[AntonyM]

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You meddle and you never learn.

Bush wants Iran, any excuse imo and you'll all be having your call up papers (not jenks though)(or Poto)(or me!!)

Have to go with Sightless on this
If anything the US would offer
military weaponery. Iraq is the main course
right down and when they get the Iraqi army
self reliant, we will take them and our troops
a bit further east.

[davetlv]

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Gotta love those Syrians. . . .so can we bomb Damascus yet?

IAF destroys 2 Hezbollah-bound trucks from Syria carrying arms
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent, and Reuters

Israel Air Force fighter jets destroyed two Hezbollah-bound trucks carrying weapons and ammunition. The trucks were attacked while driving through Lebanon's Bekaa section after having crossed the border from Syria.

The Israel Defense Forces said Tuesday that Hezbollah was smuggling weapons from Syria but added it did not regard Syria as a target for attack.

"In the last few days, the smuggling of weapons from Syria to Lebanon has continued," Major-General Gadi Eizenkot of the Israeli army command told a news conference.

"We don't see Syria or the Lebanese army as a target but at the same time we see the smuggling of weapons from Syria to Lebanon to be used in attacks against Israeli civilians."

Eizenkot said two trucks carrying weapons that had entered Lebanon from Syria had been destroyed by Israeli air craft on Lebanese territory.

The IDF has said it was a Syrian rocket that killed eight Israelis in the northern city of Haifa on Sunday.

Hezbollah claimed responsibility for that attack.

"The (army) is using enormous force against Hezbollah and we have hurt it...but the organisation has many more rockets," Eizenkot said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/739918.html

[evangelion]

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show both sides.

I did...the pictures I posted were from Israel.

personally i find it funny that such a fuss has been made about it when its not a western civilisation that has been doing this

What?? If America launched rockets into downtown Haifa I would be just as pissed about it.

if we were to see this and know the people were responsible for it were to be from the western hemisphere ( or what ever ) you would look @ it in a different light.

Speak for yourself.

[evangelion]

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And I didn't post those pics to make an anti-Israelian statement. I just wanted to give everyone who was talking about this crisis as if it were a videogame a reality check by showing what is happening on the terrain. If you go back a few pages, you'll see that it isn't the first time I make a post about the humanitarian side of the story.

Rest assured man, no one is taking this lightly. We are all full aware that there is a price to pay on both sides. What differentiates the 2 are the reasons they are dying. I'm pretty sure what was being said is that the Lebonese people are suffering these casualties because of their inability to kick Hezbollah the fuck out of their country. Lebonon has an army...why don't they have a Revolutionary War and die for their freedom?? To some westerners (Ok, me) it looks on the outside that they are unwilling to...they would rather live under these totalitarian regimes and bitch about the horrible lives they live, than risk dying by the thousands trying to force them out. But at the same time someone of the same faith will strap on a suicide belt and blow up a marketplace. Do you see how the view from the outside can get so blurred??

I think everyone here knows me well enough not to accuse me of antisemitism or racism...

Your right...it was the connection that didn't make sense.

[KinKyJ]

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Kinky, I agree with you (I know, i'm suprised too!)

I'm gonna print this, frame it and put it up the wall in my office

Israel can take care of this one, the only question is whether the so-called west will allow us to.

Hizbollah and Hamas are hell bent on the destruction of not only my country but Lebanon and Palestine as well.

Hizbollah and Hamas, those two go together as well as their two sponsers Syria and Iran.

This level of fundamentalism, as opposed to Palestinian nationalism because there is a huge difference, started to raise its ugly head after the Iranian revolution. Maybe its time that the head of the snake was finally removed.

Jordan, Egypt and many of the Gulf States will be quietly cheering if that is the case, as they are all petrified of thier own fundamentalist.

I think you've put your finger on the soar spot by asking yourself if the "west" will allow or maybe assist in an anihillation of H&H.

The main problem here is perception versus reality. The only reason why I dare to say that I have an opinion on the matter is because apart from reading your posts, I've been catching up a bit on the different actors and the history of the crisis. I'm sure I'm not the only one here, but I'm certain that the majority of the people in Europe only knows the minimum minimorum. In other words, the information provided by the media.

Europe (generally speaking) has always had a slight tendancy to be pro-palestinian (not the same as anti-Israel, mind you) because we've always seen images of Israeli tanks and helicopters shooting at Palestinians throwing rocks and bombarding houses... I guess that difference in means and use of force is more striking than seeing the remains of a blown up school bus on the news. Yup, that might offend you Dave, but it's the way the reality is/has been perceived here.

Apart from that, the war on Iraq and the lies and human rights violations that went with it, led to the general perception that the crisis and everything else moving in the ME is a problem for the US, not the EU... Wrong too since you can only hold Bush directly responsible for what went wrong in Iraq, but that's the way the reality is/has been perceived here.

For the European public opinion to favor wiping out H&H once and for all, people here imo need to:
- know what Hezbollah and Hamas actually are, what they're responsible for and what their exact agenda is.
- realise the difference between Palestinian nationalism and muslim fundamentalism.
- understand the threat they present for the entire world in the long run .

I hear more and more people talking about solving the fundamentalist problem permanently, but there's still a long way to go... unfortunately imo...

[thesightless]

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hey the bottom line is that it is hard pressed to apply any logic or reasoning to both sides than essentially come up to the conclusion that isreal is acting out of line. they endured this shit since its conception and its people dealt with it for centuries. finally that last straw was broken and they are fighting back. every person from iran, syria and palestine who get thrown onto the big 3 US news networks claims about an occupation and illegal acts. when in fact, isreal is doing the exact same thing they did. but doing it in defense of thier peoples, not trying to impose thier will, law or religion on ANYONE. and if we say the militants and thier supporters arent doing it either.... go check turkey and the AKP and kurdish speartists.... somalia right now.....kashmir........shall i go on? every point has a counterpoint. every fact is viewed from two sides.