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  • Bululu
    Gold Gabber
    • Jun 2004
    • 810

    #31
    Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

    oh now you started caring about the lebanesse people , how nice of you dave , you are the man. Terrorists.

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    • davetlv
      Platinum Poster
      • Jun 2004
      • 1205

      #32
      Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

      Bululu, seeing as you know fuck all about. . . .

      Anyhow, to all you others out there who refuse to acknowledge that Hizbollah continue to rain death and destruction upon the Lebanese population by using them as human shield.

      See what really happened at Qana: Hizbullah deliberately endangers Lebanese civilians, in order to kill more Israeli civilians

      I repeat what I've said elswhere, this could have been over the day after it was started. All hizbollah had to do was release the 2 soldiers they kidnapped from Israeli territory and implement UNSC Res 1559.

      The only people to blame for the needless deaths in the region right now are Hizbollah and their masters in Iran.

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      • sono
        Gold Gabber
        • Aug 2004
        • 515

        #33
        Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

        Davetlv, you brainwashed little man, stop watching israeli tv and go read some books. You really have no knowledge what's going on in YOUR own little country, let alone outside it.

        What really makes me laugh is when the israelis make such absurd statements as that under "UN resolution 1559, Hezbollah are required to disarm". Perhaps it would be a bit more credible if it weren't for all those Resolutions Israel has ignored over the years:

        So here you go Dave, read to your heart's content.

        A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

        1955-1992:
        * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
        * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
        * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
        * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
        * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
        * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
        * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
        * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
        * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
        * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
        * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
        * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
        * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
        * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
        * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
        * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
        *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
        * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
        * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
        * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
        * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
        * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
        * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
        * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
        * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
        * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
        * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
        * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
        * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
        * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
        * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
        * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
        obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
        * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
        * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
        * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
        states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
        * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
        * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
        two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
        * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
        council's order not to deport Palestinians".
        * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
        by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
        * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
        * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
        claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
        * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
        Palestinian mayors".
        * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
        nuclear facility".
        * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
        Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
        * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
        * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".

        and the list continues...

        Oh and don't forget these UN resolutions were published despite the extreme bias of the UN with the US veto power. The US consistently vetos alot of resolutions against Israel. Imagine how many more resolutions would have been dished out.

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        • davetlv
          Platinum Poster
          • Jun 2004
          • 1205

          #34
          Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

          Nice to see you back little man.

          Condemns, urges, calls for. . . .blah blah

          Lets look at the text from the resolution in question shall we

          _______

          โ€œThe Security Council,

          โ€œRecalling all its previous resolutions on Lebanon, in particular resolutions 425 (1978 ) and 426 (1978 ) of 19 March 1978, resolution 520 (1982) of 17 September 1982, and resolution 1553 (2004) of 29 July 2004 as well as the statements of its President on the situation in Lebanon, in particular the statement of 18 June 2000 (S/PRST/2000/21),

          โ€œReiterating its strong support for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally territorially recognized borders,

          โ€œNoting the determination of Lebanon to ensure the withdrawal of all non-Lebanese forces from Lebanon,

          โ€œGravely concerned at the continued presence of armed militias in Lebanon, which prevent the Lebanese government from exercising its full sovereignty over all Lebanese territory,

          โ€œReaffirming the importance of the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory,

          โ€œMindful of the upcoming Lebanese presidential elections and underlining the importance of free and fair elections according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence,

          โ€œ1. Reaffirms its call for the strict respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence of Lebanon under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout Lebanon;
          โ€œ2. Calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon;
          โ€œ3. Calls for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias;

          โ€œ4. Supports the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory;

          โ€œ5. Declares its support for a free and fair electoral process in Lebanonโ€™s upcoming presidential election conducted according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence;

          โ€œ6. Calls upon all parties concerned to cooperate fully and urgently with the Security Council for the full implementation of this and all relevant resolutions concerning the restoration of the territorial integrity, full sovereignty, and political independence of Lebanon;

          โ€œ7. Requests that the Secretary-General report to the Security Council within thirty days on the implementation by the parties of this resolution and decides to remain actively seized of this matter.โ€

          _______

          The UN is nothing more than a hostage to 50 odd Islamic countries that control the place, any reading of resolutions againsyt Israel that HAVE ALWAYS negated terror against my country but attack us for defence proves that.

          Originally posted by Sono
          Davetlv, you brainwashed little man, stop watching israeli tv and go read some books. You really have no knowledge what's going on in YOUR own little country, let alone outside it.
          Now on a personal level Sono if you stopped licking that camels ass for a while you would get a true picture of what goes on here in this region, and until you do, you really have very little to say of any value.

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          • Bululu
            Gold Gabber
            • Jun 2004
            • 810

            #35
            Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

            Your army are terrorists , lets say that Hizbullah was firing out of thoes buildings , what about the UN building that was bombarded during 6 hours , and that UN building was established there years and years ago and your Terrorists kept hammering them with bombs while ignoring their10 calls to the commandment of your army, wasn't that delberate also. EVIL but one day the truth will take over and you know it, and trust me it will be soon.

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            • davetlv
              Platinum Poster
              • Jun 2004
              • 1205

              #36
              Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

              Bululu, you should start to look at all the footage being released from the planes.

              When a missle launcher shots missles into my country and then hides next to a building what do you expect us to do. Leave the launcer intact?

              With all due respect your anger is misplaced - it should be aimed at those who hide their actions amongst the civillian population and not those who are protecting civillians.

              The events in Qana prove that hizbollah have no regard to human life what-so-ever. I posted here an article, with pictures, from an Australian news paper showing how Hizbollah hide amongst the civillian population in southern lebanon, and suprisingly i hear no condemnation for you. Why am i not suprised!

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              • sono
                Gold Gabber
                • Aug 2004
                • 515

                #37
                Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                , he goes back and quotes resolution 1559. Do you actually know that Israel still occupies Lebanese land (Shebaa farms), still hold lebanese people in prisons for over 20 years, still carry out air raids, still flying over lebanese land without permission. You have broken all the rules. So don't talk to me about resolution 1559.

                Imagine if Hisbollah destroyed every bridge in Israel, blew up the international airport, seized the airspace and turned it into a free-fire zone, blockaded the ports, severed every arterial road and ordered people to leave their homes, then bombing them to pieces when they did. Do you think any western leader would utter the words: "Lebanon has a right to defend itself"?

                Hizbollah kidnapped two soldiers because after 6 years Israel stopped listenning to calls of releasing prisoners which IT KIDNAPPED, It failed to leave Shebaa farms etc...

                Also after the Hizbollah kidnapped the soldiers they simply asked for exchange of soldiers, not an all out war as some in the media are trying to make out.

                Funny how as well, everytime Israel bombs something, they say "...but Hisbollah were firing rockets from there".

                I mean seriously, are they trying to insult our intelligence, the airport was a terrorist airport? the roads that lead to hospitals were terrorists roads? the hospitals they destroyed were terrorist? they bombed the UN and said terrorists were there.

                What's their proof? some random black and white pictures taken of an aricraft raidar from 20,000 feet of god knows what, when and where because you can't tell sh*t. They could have been taken in Iraq or anywhere in the world for all we know.

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                • KinKyJ
                  Platinum Poser
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 13438

                  #38
                  Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                  imo Israel has the right to strike and I wouldn't like anything else but Hezbollah blown to kindom come, but I'm getting tired too of that "so what we hit a civilian target, rockets were fired from there."

                  I guess I'm not the only one getting fed up since the US demands a cease fire within the week.

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                  • davetlv
                    Platinum Poster
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 1205

                    #39
                    Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                    Sono, yet again you are wrong.

                    According to the UN the sheba farms belong to Syria - so the 'occupation' of them is nothing to do with Lebanon.

                    Also, you continue to negate, clearly for your own reasons, the attacks that took place against Israel on the day the soldiers were abducted as a means of cover.

                    Now onto Qana. . . .

                    As always all is not as it seems. I've suggested elsewhere that the time line leaves much to be desired. Indeed its not jsut the time line of the event but also of the evidence backing it up

                    blog reports.

                    Milking it indeed!

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                    • KinKyJ
                      Platinum Poser
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 13438

                      #40
                      Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                      Originally posted by davetlv
                      Sono, yet again you are wrong.

                      According to the UN the sheba farms belong to Syria - so the 'occupation' of them is nothing to do with Lebanon.

                      Also, you continue to negate, clearly for your own reasons, the attacks that took place against Israel on the day the soldiers were abducted as a means of cover.

                      Now onto Qana. . . .

                      As always all is not as it seems. I've suggested elsewhere that the time line leaves much to be desired. Indeed its not jsut the time line of the event but also of the evidence backing it up

                      blog reports.

                      Milking it indeed!
                      wtf, that's some weird shit

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                      • sono
                        Gold Gabber
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 515

                        #41
                        Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                        Originally posted by davetlv
                        Sono, yet again you are wrong.

                        According to the UN the sheba farms belong to Syria - so the 'occupation' of them is nothing to do with Lebanon.
                        Thats strange because even SYRIA admitt that the Shebaa farms belong to lebanon.

                        I think Syria is a good judge of where its land is and plus the UN is only saying what the US wants it to say.

                        ...and also, you are not going to devalue what the israelis have done. A massacre is a massacre, No country censors its press more than israel except maybe dictatorships like N. Korea.

                        You really have no class by trying to quote some random evil guy's theory to back up your argument. God, you are desperate.

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                        • davetlv
                          Platinum Poster
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 1205

                          #42
                          Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                          Sono

                          The blue line was defined by the UN - hardly a USA puppet - and the UN declare that Sheba farms are Syrian. Nothing you can say will change that fact. If you dont like it, go to the UN.

                          I'm not devalueing anything. I'm just pointing out that not is all at it seems, and nothing should be taken at face value in this region.

                          Where is your proof that Israel doesnt have a free press. Really, yet again you prove that you know fuck all about my country.

                          Just because you disagree with emerging facts does not make those facts or those sharing them evil. Evil is perpertrated by those that bring murder and mayhem to the world on a day to day basis, something you also negate, but here to remind you:

                          Today's Update

                          5,473 Islamist terrorist attacks around the globe since 9/11.


                          Iraq and
                          India and
                          the Sudan and
                          Algeria and
                          Afghanistan and
                          New York and
                          Pakistan and
                          Israel and
                          Russia and
                          Chechnya and
                          the Philippines and
                          Indonesia and
                          Nigeria and
                          England and
                          Thailand and
                          Spain and
                          Egypt and
                          Bangladesh and
                          Saudi Arabia and
                          Ingushetia and
                          Dagestan and
                          Turkey and
                          Kabardino-Balkaria and
                          Morocco and
                          Yemen and
                          Lebanon and
                          France and
                          Uzbekistan and
                          Gaza and
                          Tunisia and
                          Kosovo and
                          Bosnia and
                          Mauritania and
                          Kenya and
                          Eritrea and
                          Syria and
                          Somalia and
                          California and
                          Kuwait and
                          Virginia and
                          Ethiopia and
                          Iran and
                          Jordan and
                          United Arab Emirates and
                          Louisiana and
                          Texas and
                          Tanzania and
                          Germany and
                          Pennsylvania and
                          Belgium and
                          Denmark and
                          East Timor and
                          Qatar and
                          Maryland and
                          Tajikistan and
                          the Netherlands and
                          Scotland and...

                          ...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

                          "Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
                          Qur'an, Sura 9:5

                          " The List " of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 5 Months :
                          http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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                          • KinKyJ
                            Platinum Poser
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 13438

                            #43
                            Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                            Originally posted by davetlv

                            Belgium

                            ...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

                            "Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
                            Qur'an, Sura 9:5

                            " The List " of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 5 Months :
                            http://thereligionofpeace.com/
                            The fact that Belgium is on this list, shows how much BOLLOCKS that website has on it. There has NEVER been a muslim terrorist attack in Belgium. Pure uncut propaganda

                            Any other interesting disinformation David?

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                            • Bululu
                              Gold Gabber
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 810

                              #44
                              Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                              If you will start talking about muslims now than thats sad , but let me tell you something there are more than a billion muslims in this world and just a minority is ruining the image of the rest , but if Isreal continues in doing what it does , it will be really hated by more than a billion individuals who will be ready to scarifice their lives to really protect their dignity and religion , so try spreading words around you that what your army is doing will return against you one day, and that your country should really start thinking about the far futur.

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                              • davetlv
                                Platinum Poster
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 1205

                                #45
                                Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed

                                Without doing the work for you I suggest you go through the complete list of attack and then I expect an appology from you Kinky.

                                And Bululu you're right it is sad that so many attack have taken place since 9/11 in the name of Islam. Whilst the majority stay silent the minority is hell bent on destroying what they can't control. Its not rocket science dude!

                                My country is thinking about the future, the future of my country which scum like Hizbollah and Hamas and Iran want to destroy. Intresting article for you to read

                                Got to go to work now, its been fun boys

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