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  • Jenks
    I'm kind of a big deal.
    • Jun 2004
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    Photography or Propaganda?

    interesting read-

  • KinKyJ
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    • Jun 2004
    • 13438

    #2
    Re: Photography or Propaganda?

    Well, being a former journalist, this has been eating me all day... I don't know what to think of it.

    You can't deny the fact that Qana was hit heavily and that there were a lot of civilian casualties. I've seen the reports on BBC and CNN and the city is as good as leveled to the ground. So much for the facts.

    I'm very careful to call this propaganda because it's clearly a case of perception versus reality. Yes it's weird that the same guy keeps popping up in the pictures and I can't think of a full proof explanation for it...

    A couple of things need to be kept in mind when trying to figure out what the deal here really is:

    - Reuters and AP have an outstanding reputation when it comes to fair reporting. It's very unlikely that they would themselves involved in propaganda.
    - The pictures were taken by different photographers from different press agencies and with different ethnicity.
    - We don't know what the working conditions are like on site. Can journalist move around freely or not? And so on...
    - Hezbollah would be stupid not to try to use the media as a PR tool.
    - Even if journalists are trying to report impartially, they can be manipulated (cfr. the way the USM "groomed" the press during the invasion in Iraq)
    - we don't know who the guy in the pictures is
    - We don't know who's behind the blog

    Anyway, I've sent an e-mail to Reuters with the link to the blog asking what the story behind this is. Looking forward to the explanation...

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    • davetlv
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      • Jun 2004
      • 1205

      #3
      Re: Photography or Propaganda?

      KinKy, I dont doubt the intentions of the journalists, its not their fault.

      Theres an article doing the rounds, i will try and find it and post it here, by a journalist at CNN talking about how news is being managed by Hizbollah.

      I have no doubt that innocent women and children died a terrible death in Qana - where I have doubt is how they died, and who killed them.

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      • Jenks
        I'm kind of a big deal.
        • Jun 2004
        • 10250

        #4
        Re: Photography or Propaganda?

        another related one..

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        • davetlv
          Platinum Poster
          • Jun 2004
          • 1205

          #5
          Re: Photography or Propaganda?

          CNN's Robertson Now Admits: Hezbollah 'Had Control' of His Anti-Israel Piece
          Posted by Rich Noyes on July 24, 2006 - 15:32.

          Better late than never? On CNN?s Reliable Sources on Sunday, CNN?s senior international correspondent Nic Robertson added all of the caveats and disclaimers that he should have included in his story last week that amounted to his giving an uncritical forum for the terrorist group Hezbollah to spout unverifiable anti-Israeli propaganda.

          Back on July 18, Hezbollah took Robertson and his crew on a tour of a heavily damaged south Beirut neighborhood. The Hezbollah ?press officer? even instructed the CNN camera: ?Just look. Shoot. Look at this building. Is it a military base? Is it a military base, or just civilians living in this building??

          In his original story, Robertson had no complaints about the journalistic limitations of a story put together under such tight controls, and Robertson himself at one point seemed to agree with the Hezbollah propaganda claim that Israeli jets had targeted a civilian area: ?As we run past the rubble, we see much that points to civilian life, no evidence apparent of military equipment.?

          Challenged by Reliable Sources host (and Washington Post media writer) Howard Kurtz on Sunday, Robertson suggested Hezbollah has ?very, very sophisticated and slick media operations,? that the terrorist group ?had control of the situation. They designated the places that we went to, and we certainly didn't have time to go into the houses or lift up the rubble to see what was underneath,? and he even contradicted Hezbollah?s self-serving spin: ?There's no doubt that the [Israeli] bombs there are hitting Hezbollah facilities.?

          But the closest Robertson came to making any of these points in the taped package that aired last week was admitting that ?we [he and his CNN crew] didn?t go burrowing into all the houses,? after pointing out (for the second time) that ?we didn?t see any military type of equipment? in the area Hezbollah chose to let them tour.

          Five days later, Robertson argued that ?journalistic integrity? required skepticism: ?When you hear their [Hezbollah?s] claims, they have to come with more than a grain of salt, that you have to put in some journalistic integrity. That you have to point out to the audience and let them know that this was a guided tour by Hezbollah press officials along with their security, that it was a very rushed affair.?

          While some viewers undoubtedly deduced out that it was ?a guided tour? from the numerous sound bites from the Hezbollah press officer, it?s not as if Robertson ever complained about his limitations or explicitly warned viewers that there was no way he could confirm any of the claims.

          Nic Robertson, of course, isn?t the only correspondent going on these Hezbollah-arranged tours, as CNN?s Reliable Sources noted yesterday. In a set-up to his interview with Robertson, Kurtz played clips of NBC?s Richard Engel and CBS?s Elizabeth Palmer relating their trips into the damaged areas, with Palmer providing the sort of disclaimer that Robertson failed to include last week: ?This morning, Hezbollah showed journalists around the ruins of its former stronghold, but Hezbollah is also determined that outsiders will only see what it wants them to see.?

          Now, more of Robertson?s live interview (10:15am EDT) on the July 23 Reliable Sources (transcript corrected against the actual broadcast):

          Howard Kurtz: ?I want to go now to CNN's Nic Robertson, who joins us live from Beirut. Nic Robertson, we were speaking a moment ago about the way journalists cover Hezbollah and some of these tours that Hezbollah officials have arranged of the bomb damage in the areas of Southern Lebanon. You, I believe, got one of those tours. Isn't it difficult for you as a journalist to independently verify any claims made by Hezbollah, because you're not able to go into the buildings and see whether or not there is any military activity or any weapons being hidden there??

          Nic Robertson: ?Well, Howard, there?s no doubt about it: Hezbollah has a very, very sophisticated and slick media operations. In fact, beyond that, it has very, very good control over its areas in the south of Beirut. They deny journalists access into those areas. They can turn on and off access to hospitals in those areas. They have a lot of power and influence. You don't get in there without their permission. And when I went in, we were given about 10 or 15 minutes, quite literally running through a number of neighborhoods that they directed and they took us to."

          "What I would say at that time was, it was very clear to me that the Hezbollah press official who took us on that guided tour ? and there were Hezbollah security officials around us at the time with walkie-talkie radios ? that he felt a great deal of anxiety about the situation....But there?s no doubt about it. They had control of the situation. They designated the places that we went to, and we certainly didn?t have time to go into the houses or lift up the rubble to see what was underneath.?

          ?So what we did see today in a similar excursion, and Hezbollah is now running a number of these every day, taking journalists into this area. They realize that this is a good way for them to get their message out, taking journalists on a regular basis. This particular press officer came across his press office today, what was left of it in the rubble. He pointed out business cards that he said were from his office that was a Hezbollah press office in that area.?

          ?So there's no doubt that the bombs there are hitting Hezbollah facilities. But from what we can see, there appear to be a lot of civilian damage, a lot of civilian properties. But again, as you say, we didn't have enough time to go in, root through those houses, see if perhaps there was somebody there who was, you know, a taxi driver by day, and a Hezbollah fighter by night....?

          Kurtz: ?To what extent do you feel like you're being used to put up the pictures that they want ? obviously, it?s terrible that so many civilians have been killed ? without any ability, as you just outlined, to verify, because ? to verify Hezbollah?s role, because this is a fighting force that is known to blend in among the civilian population and keep some of its weapons there??

          Robertson: ?Absolutely. And I think as we try and do our job, which is go out and see what's happened to the best of our ability, clearly, in that environment, in the southern suburbs of Beirut that Hezbollah controls, the only way we can get into those areas is with a Hezbollah escort. And absolutely, when you hear their claims they have to come with more than a grain of salt, that you have to put in some journalistic integrity. That you have to point out to the audience and let them know that this was a guided tour by Hezbollah press officials along with their security, that it was a very rushed affair, that there wasn't time to go and look through those buildings.?

          ?The audience has to know the conditions of that tour. But again, if we didn't get all ? or we could not get access to those areas without Hezbollah compliance, they control those areas.?


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          • KinKyJ
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            • Jun 2004
            • 13438

            #6
            Re: Photography or Propaganda?

            Originally posted by davetlv
            KinKy, I dont doubt the intentions of the journalists, its not their fault.

            Theres an article doing the rounds, i will try and find it and post it here, by a journalist at CNN talking about how news is being managed by Hizbollah.

            I have no doubt that innocent women and children died a terrible death in Qana - where I have doubt is how they died, and who killed them.
            Thanks for the article David, really an interesting read.

            This kind of manipulation, unavoidable as it may be, makes me sick. Yes, propaganda has always existed, but internet, modern communication and global press organisations have made it very easy to spread your message around the world. And Hezbollah seems to know the tricks of the trade. Well, I guess they've been having great masters in infotainment to learn from during the past few years...

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            • davetlv
              Platinum Poster
              • Jun 2004
              • 1205

              #7
              Re: Photography or Propaganda?

              KinKyJ, have you seen Pallywood?

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              • KinKyJ
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                • Jun 2004
                • 13438

                #8
                Re: Photography or Propaganda?

                Originally posted by davetlv
                KinKyJ, have you seen Pallywood?
                Nope, I haven't, but I've found it on Google Video (http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...ceid=zeitgeist)

                Looks pretty interesting, so defo gonna check it out. Keeps those tips coming D, much appreciated!

                For those who hadn't heard about this doc either: Pallywood is the name of a short 2005 documentary/video, produced by American historian and "pro-Israel leftist" Richard Landes, that asserts that Palestinian video journalists stage events in order to put Israel's policies in an unfavorable light.

                Btw, I wonder what Michael Franti's movie will be like...

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                • Huggie Smiles
                  Anyone have Styx livesets?
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 11835

                  #9
                  Re: Photography or Propaganda?

                  ^^^ FUNNY but not funny - the corpse climbing back onto the funeral proseesion - twice!
                  ....Freak in the morning, Freak in the evening, aint no other Freak like me thats breathing....




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                  • KinKyJ
                    Platinum Poser
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13438

                    #10
                    Re: Photography or Propaganda?

                    Got word from Reuters...

                    Response (Stephanie Plante) - 01 08 2006 02:48 PM
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