I just don't get it anymore. What cause are the suicide bombers dying for? They are killing other muslims.
Is it really over religion?
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Is it really over religion?
I just don't get it anymore. What cause are the suicide bombers dying for? They are killing other muslims.Originally posted by MiroslavIt's not like he grabbed his balls and sucked his dick. It's not like he gave the Saudis the original copy of the Constitution to use as toilet paper. It's not like he gave away the secret recipe to the Colonel's chicken. .Tags: None -
Re: Is it really over religion?
maybe i can offer a rough overview of why the answer is yes. even within the muslim world.
i am leaving a lot of facts about small things and overviewing a few hundred years..
after the initial rise of islam due west of what we currently consider iran, when it was persia, the king of persia at the time, who had already declared the official religion to be zoroastrian (remember them? they have been nearly eradicatred thanks to the ROP), but also allowed for every religion(its a tenant of zoro). after the violence began with the spread of the islamic tribes into the western regions of the middle east, and down into the penninsula, the king of persia, dispersed a lot of the tribes and it has essentially become a power struggle within each sect... fighting for land, power, and the right to control others.
give a run over to wiki or a library and see if you can look up what happened to the tribes after their initial dispersment from the persian kingdom, i think the time frame would be around the period before the 2nd and 3rd crusade and the muslim expansion. (maybe 400 ad or so)
again, i severly generalized the above. so read up more. but that is the general idea.your life is an occasion, rise to it.
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Re: Is it really over religion?
Originally posted by malaydayits nationalism....its not religion driving these people... half of them arent even religious in the real sense...Habit is a form of exerciseComment
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Re: Is it really over religion?
Originally posted by dohturdimaUh-huh... It's just a coincidence that every suicide bomber to date has been a muslim. You don't see members of IRA, FARC or Basque Separatists blowing themselves up for a cause. Nationalism, indeed.Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
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Re: Is it really over religion?
Originally posted by LocalizerNo, but you do see them take over theatres and schools as was such in Russia and Ireland. Regardless, it's not nationalism. It's not religion either. It's people that are lost and coaxed into thinking they are fighting for religion, but in the end, it's always political. Iran is the powerhouse behind this...Habit is a form of exerciseComment
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Originally posted by specialehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14279544/from/RS.1/
I just don't get it anymore. What cause are the suicide bombers dying for? They are killing other muslims.Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - Napoleon BonaparteComment
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Re: Is it really over religion?
Originally posted by dohturdimaUh-huh... It's just a coincidence that every suicide bomber to date has been a muslim. You don't see members of IRA, FARC or Basque Separatists blowing themselves up for a cause. Nationalism, indeed.
As for suicide bombers:
- Suicide is a sin for a muslim
- Killing a fellow muslim is a sin as well
Go figure...Comment
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Re: Is it really over religion?
Originally posted by KinKyJBollocks. Both nationalism and religion are just means to rally people. Imo it's just power and money.
Originally posted by MiroslavIt's not like he grabbed his balls and sucked his dick. It's not like he gave the Saudis the original copy of the Constitution to use as toilet paper. It's not like he gave away the secret recipe to the Colonel's chicken. .Comment
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Re: Is it really over religion?
stupidity has bred too many people over there. that is obvious.your life is an occasion, rise to it.
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Re: Is it really over religion?
Originally posted by specialeI couldn't agree more with you. You know how they can tell the difference between a Shite and Sunni? They can't. They have to use an id card that states which one they are.
Just read here what the deal is: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
@ sean: yup, stupidity is one of the reasons why fundamentalists have that many followers. Stupidity and poverty. How do you keep a nation under your thumb? By keeping them dumb, afraid and hungry. It's as simple as that.
Come to think of it, isn't that what Bush has been doing during the past years as well? Keeping US citizens un/misinformed, afraid (of WMD in Iraq eg) and hungry (consumptionwise that is)?Comment
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Re: Is it really over religion?
all it has become is a power struggle over islam itself with the clerics. you have each cleric with a stake in a local region trying to exert his interpretation upon others. i say this because i have spoken with people from iraq, and pakistan (clients) and they both agree. while religion is fueling it, it is a power struggle until the religion can organizwe itself on a worldwide scale, much like the majority of the christian religions and the jewish rabbis.your life is an occasion, rise to it.
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