Iran provides hezbollah/south lebanon with unlimited budget for reconstruction...

[anonin]

Re: Iran provides hezbollah/south lebanon with unlimited budget for reconstruction...

what's the difference between Iran funding Hezbollah and the US funding the IDF?

the people in southern Lebanon support Hezbollah. Hezbollah don't just defend them they also provide healthcare and necessary infrastructure.

very stupid kidnapping Israeli soldiers though. but heck no one every caused a rumpus with all the Lebanese that have been taken over the years.

its israel, go figure I basically saw their reaction as "how dare you kidnap 2 of our soldiers!!" like their soldiers are on this pedastool, overreaction city and it was only 2 soldiers, not like 500 or something. Situation could have been handled wayyyyy differently. But israel had to try and prove a point, Now look at things.

[anonin]

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Look guys, I'm just trying to be open minded, but no so much that my brain falls out, and remain unbiased despite the media coverage. I want to be able to form my own opinion on the situation and I don't want us to wage a war with yet another country. Especially one that could very well lead into another world war. I can't get the civilians that I saw in that film out of my head and how happy they seemed to be. They seemed like humans just like the rest of us that want to live a peaceful and joyful life without hurting anyone in the process. I know without a doubt that Iranians just like the ones I saw in that film will parish if we were to go to war with them and it's a horrible thought.

bruv, who has the money to go to war with iran? The u.s. is rich but not THAT rich. The funds simply arnt there, the political landscape here in the states are changing (democrats about to get some control in washington). For those 2 reasons its not happening, some conservatives argue that bush might try to bomb their enrichment facilities before he hops out of office, but to that i say thats an act of war and he dosnt have the authority to do that, he needs to get that shit approved by congress and well, wait till this november , congress wont be so republican anymore.

[Hos]

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Look guys, I'm just trying to be open minded, but not so much that my brain falls out, and remain unbiased despite the media coverage. I want to be able to form my own opinion on the situation and I don't want us to wage a war with yet another country. Especially one that could very well lead into another world war. I can't get the civilians that I saw in that film out of my head and how happy they seemed to be. They seemed like humans just like the rest of us that want to live a peaceful and joyful life without hurting anyone in the process. I know without a doubt that Iranians just like the ones I saw in that film will parish if we were to go to war with them and it's a horrible thought.

what film was this?

[KinKyJ]

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I say Mooooo to you! Have you ever given a thought to the possibility that the 18 page letter he wrote to Bush was his sincere thoughts and that this man is truely a religious (although fundamentally) scholarly humanitarian? Are you basing your beliefs off of the media's reports, which are completely biased or have you done some solo research on the guy? I haven't seen the full interview, although I did see a clip of it off of cbs.com and Wallace's question regarding the 50,000 suicide bombers was utterly loaded, but the guy retorted with that it is a measure that would only be taken in self defense of his country if we were to attack them. Did any of you read what I had written about the unbiased documentary with footage taken from Iran? I didn't see the persecution, oppression, radicallism towards Americans or anything of the sort that the media has painted for all of us here in the states. I hope that the media isn't dooping all of America into blindly believeing that all of Iran is evil so that it will be easier to wage a war with them. I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that their president is evil. Yes, they want Nuclear technology for a power source and if they want nuclear arms, well one of their adversaries (Israel) has them already, so here again self defense. Just because Iran is a 4 letter word and sounds similar to Iraq doesn't mean that they have the same type of leaders. This guy may or may not be like Husain, I haven't fully decided. All I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that he is like Suhain was. It just seems like the media is brainwashing everyone into believing that he and everyone else in his country is evil. It would be easier to wage a war with them if everyone already hates all of Iran. What if we do go to war with them over pretenses of WMDs as we did with Iraq and then the same thing happen in the end. You know how everyone who supported it in the beginning has changed their minds after the damage is done.

Before I start off: yes I've done my homework on Ahmadinejad when word got out about the Iranian nuclear program and no, I don't swallow everything mass media try to shove down my throat.

You ask if he's like Saddam or not. I don't think that's a relevant question actually. It's not because Saddam unlike Ahmadinejad used chemical weapons against his own people that Ahmadinejad is a "decent guy." On the international level, I think he's even worse.

First of all Ahmadinejad calls for the destruction of Israel. I don't really see that as an act of self defense nor motivated by it.

Secondly he denies the Holocaust. I don't know how that is taken in your part of the world, but here in Belgium he'd wake up in a prison cell for that.

Thirdly if he intends to use nuclear technology only for civil purposes, why did he go on with the research program behind the back of the IAEA and against the will of the UN security counsil? Just to gain political weight? Yeah right, they already have a big ass political gun in their hands: oil.

Ok, let's just assume that he does want a nuclear arsenal. Self defense you say? Weird, I never heard Israel calling for the destruction of Iran. Where's the self defense then? What does he need nukes for? Just to be on the same level with a country which has them because it's surrounded by hostile forces? Uhum, makes no sense at all to me...

Reason 4: he openly supports Hezbollah, arms them and finances them. Refresh my mind: when did supporting a terrorist organisation become acceptable? Just imagine the scale of the Lebanon conflict if Iran would've had nukes today. I guess you're intelligent enough to estimate that yourself without me elaborating further.

Ok, so much for the politics, let's talk morals now.

You suggest the possibility "that this man is truely a religious (although fundamentally) scholarly humanitarian." He might be a civil engineer with a PhD and even a professor at the civil engineering faculty of the IUST university in Teheran, but the only thing that proves is that he's intelligent.

As for religious... Well my friend, let me teach you something about the islam then: the Qu'oran clearly states that suicide is a mortal sin. Don't you find it strange then that he talks about an army of suicide bombers? He's willing to create 50.000 muslim sinners and call them martyrs... Sounds very religious to me.

That's not all. Let's translate the word "Hezbollah" into English: Party of God. Riiiiiiiiight, his terrorist buddies call themselves a party. If he were a pius muslim, he would have known that the islam forbids this because it creates division amongst muslims. Ow yeah, the islam forbids killing other muslims as well. Strike two for Hezbollah. Still he keeps supporting sinners...

Bottom line: Mooooo tooooo youuuuuu toooooooooo

[anonin]

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Before I start off: yes I've done my homework on Ahmadinejad when word got out about the Iranian nuclear program and no, I don't swallow everything mass media try to shove down my throat.

You ask if he's like Saddam or not. I don't think that's a relevant question actually. It's not because Saddam unlike Ahmadinejad used chemical weapons against his own people that Ahmadinejad is a "decent guy." On the international level, I think he's even worse.

First of all Ahmadinejad calls for the destruction of Israel. I don't really see that as an act of self defense nor motivated by it.

Secondly he denies the Holocaust. I don't know how that is taken in your part of the world, but here in Belgium he'd wake up in a prison cell for that.

Thirdly if he intends to use nuclear technology only for civil purposes, why did he go on with the research program behind the back of the IAEA and against the will of the UN security counsil? Just to gain political weight? Yeah right, they already have a big ass political gun in their hands: oil.

Ok, let's just assume that he does want a nuclear arsenal. Self defense you say? Weird, I never heard Israel calling for the destruction of Iran. Where's the self defense then? What does he need nukes for? Just to be on the same level with a country which has them because it's surrounded by hostile forces? Uhum, makes no sense at all to me...

Reason 4: he openly supports Hezbollah, arms them and finances them. Refresh my mind: when did supporting a terrorist organisation become acceptable? Just imagine the scale of the Lebanon conflict if Iran would've had nukes today. I guess you're intelligent enough to estimate that yourself without me elaborating further.

Ok, so much for the politics, let's talk morals now.

You suggest the possibility "that this man is truely a religious (although fundamentally) scholarly humanitarian." He might be a civil engineer with a PhD and even a professor at the civil engineering faculty of the IUST university in Teheran, but the only thing that proves is that he's intelligent.

As for religious... Well my friend, let me teach you something about the islam then: the Qu'oran clearly states that suicide is a mortal sin. Don't you find it strange then that he talks about an army of suicide bombers? He's willing to create 50.000 muslim sinners and call them martyrs... Sounds very religious to me.

That's not all. Let's translate the word "Hezbollah" into English: Party of God. Riiiiiiiiight, his terrorist buddies call themselves a party. If he were a pius muslim, he would have known that the islam forbids this because it creates division amongst muslims. Ow yeah, the islam forbids killing other muslims as well. Strike two for Hezbollah. Still he keeps supporting sinners...

Bottom line: Mooooo tooooo youuuuuu toooooooooo

whoa, how long did it take you to type all that?

two points i wanted to address in your post...

1) irans president wants nukes because he feels that its his countrys scientific right and he dosnt want (in his mind) the u.s. to be able to enslave his country.

2) even if iran had nukes how would that affect the lebanon conflict??? iran has all sorts of shit but you didnt see hezbollah using it in the conflict did you? are you actually implying that iran would have just hooked hezbollah up with a nuke to launch at israel? i certainly hope not

as for the guy personally, comments he made, groups he supports, im in agreement with you.

[CHiEF_N]

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Before I start off: yes I've done my homework on Ahmadinejad when word got out about the Iranian nuclear program and no, I don't swallow everything mass media try to shove down my throat.

You ask if he's like Saddam or not. I don't think that's a relevant question actually. It's not because Saddam unlike Ahmadinejad used chemical weapons against his own people that Ahmadinejad is a "decent guy." On the international level, I think he's even worse.

First of all Ahmadinejad calls for the destruction of Israel. I don't really see that as an act of self defense nor motivated by it.

Secondly he denies the Holocaust. I don't know how that is taken in your part of the world, but here in Belgium he'd wake up in a prison cell for that.

Thirdly if he intends to use nuclear technology only for civil purposes, why did he go on with the research program behind the back of the IAEA and against the will of the UN security counsil? Just to gain political weight? Yeah right, they already have a big ass political gun in their hands: oil.

Ok, let's just assume that he does want a nuclear arsenal. Self defense you say? Weird, I never heard Israel calling for the destruction of Iran. Where's the self defense then? What does he need nukes for? Just to be on the same level with a country which has them because it's surrounded by hostile forces? Uhum, makes no sense at all to me...

Reason 4: he openly supports Hezbollah, arms them and finances them. Refresh my mind: when did supporting a terrorist organisation become acceptable? Just imagine the scale of the Lebanon conflict if Iran would've had nukes today. I guess you're intelligent enough to estimate that yourself without me elaborating further.

Ok, so much for the politics, let's talk morals now.

You suggest the possibility "that this man is truely a religious (although fundamentally) scholarly humanitarian." He might be a civil engineer with a PhD and even a professor at the civil engineering faculty of the IUST university in Teheran, but the only thing that proves is that he's intelligent.

As for religious... Well my friend, let me teach you something about the islam then: the Qu'oran clearly states that suicide is a mortal sin. Don't you find it strange then that he talks about an army of suicide bombers? He's willing to create 50.000 muslim sinners and call them martyrs... Sounds very religious to me.

That's not all. Let's translate the word "Hezbollah" into English: Party of God. Riiiiiiiiight, his terrorist buddies call themselves a party. If he were a pius muslim, he would have known that the islam forbids this because it creates division amongst muslims. Ow yeah, the islam forbids killing other muslims as well. Strike two for Hezbollah. Still he keeps supporting sinners...

Bottom line: Mooooo tooooo youuuuuu toooooooooo

I've read some of your other posts and you appear to be extremely well read in the realm of politics. You're not only very educated on this topic, but you also have a hell of a lot of logic in your thought patterns, which my troubled mind truly appreciates when navigating through these types of issues. You've informed me of quite a few things about Ahmadinejad that I didn't know of beforehand. I see now that there's a very high probability that he is actually a threat to humanity. Thank you KinKyJ for your time and information. Much respect!!!

[CHiEF_N]

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what film was this?

Warren Miller's "Cold Fusion" -- The Iranian piece is toward the end and not extremely lengthy, but again, it gives a view into the country through an unbiased lense. It doesn't go into politics, but they did mention how some of the old oppressive traditions were being progressively lifted. It shows women without the veils over there faces and wearing make-up, smiling and wearing ski suits. It just wasn't the Iran that I had pictured.

[KinKyJ]

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I've read some of your other posts and you appear to be extremely well read in the realm of politics. You're not only very educated on this topic, but you also have a hell of a lot of logic in your thought patterns, which my troubled mind truly appreciates when navigating through these types of issues. You've informed me of quite a few things about Ahmadinejad that I didn't know of beforehand. I see now that there's a very high probability that he is actually a threat to humanity. Thank you KinKyJ for your time and information. Much respect!!!

Yeah well, after a while you get fed up with masturbation and you replace porn with politics

You're welcome btw

[Hos]

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Warren Miller's "Cold Fusion" -- The Iranian piece is toward the end and not extremely lengthy, but again, it gives a view into the country through an unbiased lense. It doesn't go into politics, but they did mention how some of the old oppressive traditions were being progressively lifted. It shows women without the veils over there faces and wearing make-up, smiling and wearing ski suits. It just wasn't the Iran that I had pictured.

women in Iran have never been made to cover their faces - only their hair.

sadly any progression has now been stifled since Ahmadinejad replaced Khatebi.

[Hos]

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Reason 4: he openly supports Hezbollah, arms them and finances them. Refresh my mind: when did supporting a terrorist organisation become acceptable? Just imagine the scale of the Lebanon conflict if Iran would've had nukes today. I guess you're intelligent enough to estimate that yourself without me elaborating further.

and the US openly support Israel, arms them and finances them.

[davetlv]

Re: Iran provides hezbollah/south lebanon with unlimited budget for reconstruction...

and the US openly support Israel, arms them and finances them.

Hos are you likening a democratic state with a para-military terror orgainisation?

[Hos]

Re: Iran provides hezbollah/south lebanon with unlimited budget for reconstruction...

democratic state - Israel are so much more than that

para-military terror organisation - Hezbollah are so much more than that

[KinKyJ]

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^^^ still doesn't justify providing them with arms. I wouldn't even care if they had their own theme park.

[thesightless]

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in an attempt to use a cold heart and analyze facts, i have come up with this feeling regarding all of this shit. especially after todays events in saudi arabia

no group can act independent of a government, especially targeting civilians, and expect not to deal with the responsibility and consequences of your actions. hezzbollah does this. while they have a false face within the government, they act without restraint, and on behalf of people who prefer the chaos. they acted on thier own, kidnapped soldiers of a foreign country, and launched iranian weapons from a region of lebanon where they have support. so in the end, i look at it, and with the fresh thoughts of their false media campaign that has been ripped apart and scorned, and come to the conclusion that , you know what, they got off lucky. isreal had every right to do what they did. and lebanese government earned tons of kudos for allowing isreal to do what they could not. its a monster mistake implementing the ceasefire. they should have allowed the IDF to stamp out and get rid of people who illegally buy weapons, then target innoncent people, and kill them whenever possible.

[Hos]

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what about all the Lebanese civillians the Israeli military have kidnapped?