Why do people hate Iran and North Korea?

[chuckc]

let the bashing begin,

I've bought had it with the ignorance of people blaming the US for the worlds problems....

the blaming needs to be directed at countries like Iran. There the ones sponcering terrorist and supplying terroists with weapons. who do you think armed Hezzbolah

And look at north korea they just got done shooting 8 missiles into the sea of japan... and what did the world do...just sit and watch and hope they dont do it again.....yeah thats going to work.

[KinKyJ]

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What makes you think people hate Iran and NK? Fine stand up people imo.

[geoffgulley]

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I blame the French.... for everything.

[hambino21]

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I know why i don't like them. because they are a part of the same team that can't stand the United States and are willing to do what it takes to topple us. evrytime they commit these stupid acts such as the missiles, nuclear enrichment etc, it's almost like a sign to any one else in the world that they're ready to commit to this and they just need more help from other countries like Venezuela, and whoever else can't stand us.
And as for the other post about America, The whole world jumps on the "hate America" bandwagon because at this point it's the cool thing to do. they fit in.

[thesightless]

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i drew the line once they wanted to force non muslims to wear colored pins and patches depending on religion... remember the last time that happened...




add in the fact the fact i have friends that are gay, and they hang gays/lesbians in the streets.... well... they arent earning any sympathy.

[dig72]

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[quote=chuckc]let the bashing begin,

the blaming needs to be directed at countries like Iran. There the ones sponcering terrorist and supplying terroists with weapons. who do you think armed Hezzbolah

How has Iran affected the world, in what way?

The US arms Israel with bombs to massacre over a thousand innocent men woman and mostly children in Lebanon last month.

What's your point?

And look at north korea they just got done shooting 8 missiles into the sea of japan... and what did the world do...just sit and watch and hope they dont do it again.....yeah thats going to work.

Ha, ha, The US drops it's bombs on Iraqi men woman and children. We'd all be alot happier if the US would do the same, except maybe for the fish.

[Miroslav]

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[quote=dig72]
How has Iran affected the world, in what way?
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I'll tell you what dig72...

I always find it cute when people like you who live in nations that clearly benefit from democracy and capitalism jump on the bandwagon to sympathize with nations that are fundamentally opposed to those principles and are also more brutal and less restrained than the US.

Australia is an ally of the USA. Your society is capitalist at its core. In spite of all of its problems, you derive a lot of benefit from relations with the US and with the fostering of capitalism since World War 2. If the power held by the USA was in the hands of Iran or North Korea, you would be much worse off than you are.

Call me naive or biased, but I do think there is a fundamental moral difference between the USA and nations like North Korea and Iran...and it's also evident in past history if you look at the Soviets, the Germans, etc. This is not to excuse America, or say that it hasn't done horrible and unjust things. Every nation has. But America, for all of its faults, hasn't intentionally starved millions the way Stalin did when he wanted to collectivize the Ukrainian farms back after WW2. And America hasn't gassed Jews by the tens of thousands the way Germany did. And, despite America's military interventions (including Iraq),

America likes things in their self interest, no doubt. It seeks the spread of capitalism, seeks to stop forces that oppose it, seeks access to resources, etc. But America does not actually attempt an authoritarian conquest of many nations, as did Russia, Germany, and Japan in this century. And this is notwithstanding what is going on in Iraq and has gone on in other places...terrible as those situations are, it's not like when Hitler went all out.

I think that Iran and North Korea have many more similarities to Stalinist Russia and Hitler's Germany than to the USA. Both of those nations routinely brutalize their own citizens. North Korea is a police state that prioritizes its military over its millions of starving citizens. Neither nation has regard for basic freedoms that you enjoy, such as freedom of expression, separation of church and state, checks and balances, innocent until proven guilty, due process, etc.

Even worse, both nations have rhetoric that suggests that they wouldn't be any more restrained to the outside world if they had nuclear weapons. Iran especially doesn't seem to recognize the notions of compromise and restraint inherent in a secular society where basic freedoms are allowed. Their politics, along with most every other aspect of their society, is heavily influenced by an uncompromising and fundamentalist religion.

Will you really feel safer when nations like that - nations that talk about annihilating other nations, nations prone to such authoritarianism and religion zealotry, nations that regularly swap money and munitions with global terrorist organizations - have nuclear weapons? As bad as America may be, I would fear much more for the world if America's wealth and power rested in their hands.

You should think carefully about this before sign up as their inadvertent supporter. You personally will stand a LOT to lose if nations like Iran and North Korea can put a bomb in your back yard.

[thesightless]

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wow. good for you miro. happy to see an opinion based on factual events, reality, and honest thought, as opposed to a opinion based solely on that,... opinion. without invalid factual representation. or, like the shit in the hexxie thread where people try to apply a logical thought only to one side.

+5

[Xessex]

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I don't hate the countries, nor can i say i like them . Their ideology, at least what they carry out, is not what i want to have in my home. It's scary what they sometimes do in Iran with indeed people with other beliefs or other sexual preferences. And then i dont mention the remarks made about Israel, the holocaust and so on...

However i cant blame them for some things they do. For example Iran, that once in the past signed that act to not make any nuclear bombs. As much as i dislike their ideology and what possible threat (or not) they may ever be for the (western) world, i wont blame them for carrying on with their nuclear program. Actually it's somewhat a good thing...it shows once more how selective the interpretation of the international agreements and laws are.
Without even having set up one decent nuclear factory Iran is already been treated as a criminal. Well somebody first has to commit the crime before being guilty. I wont question that in the (near) future Iran may well do other things with the nuclear technology but so far (or a few months back) there's little to none evidence there is already a programm for bombs. While at the same time a country like the US (possible in cooperation with EU-governments) illegally imprison and transport terrorist suspects...and furthermore they also severly torture some of those prisoners (abu graib, guatanamo bay) which is completely against the geneva act.

So before shouting to much at countries like Iran and North Korea you should try to think from their side. They see the leading countries (us/eu) doing lots of things against the very same rules they have made. Rules which only seem to apply when somebody is messing with those leading countries. Well i would certainly get a 'screw you' attitude by that. And thats exactly what Iran does. Iran knows its large enough, and possibly backed by russia or china on the background, to piss off the US without really getting a punishment for it. So it is just pushing the limits.

From my point of view its only logical what they do and i can't go as far as hating them. That will happen when they do really step outside their borders and shake the whole world up. It's just unfair to hate a country and its people for doing whatever they please within their own borders just because it doesnt match your own western biased ideology. Dislike them yes, be very critical on them yes, be worried yes, be paranoid yes but dont hate it.

[djguillermo]

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Every country has its problems, we have poverty in Latinoamerica (60%), crimes, drugs everywhere and over there in Irak is common that every day people die in the war, i would like to think that is not hate the word to describe that, maybe the word that describes this doesn´t exist.
Maybe it is time to invent new words that explain what´s going on today.

[Miroslav]

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wow. good for you miro. happy to see an opinion based on factual events, reality, and honest thought, as opposed to a opinion based solely on that,... opinion. without invalid factual representation. or, like the shit in the hexxie thread where people try to apply a logical thought only to one side.

+5

Thanks man...every now and then, I try to make a little bit of sense. Now I'm only at -499,979 points

I don't hate the countries, nor can i say i like them .

Without even having set up one decent nuclear factory Iran is already been treated as a criminal. Well somebody first has to commit the crime before being guilty. I wont question that in the (near) future Iran may well do other things with the nuclear technology but so far (or a few months back) there's little to none evidence there is already a programm for bombs.

I don't hate Iran or North Korea per se...but I think I come close on their governments. I'm not a cultural relativist. I don't think that all ideologies are created equal, and there are clear cases in history to document why this is the case.

And the problem with not treating a nation with a government like Iran's as criminals if they haven't built a nuke is that by the time they DO build it...it's too late to do anything but hope that they aren't as insane as to haul off and use it in the name of their lunatic religious notions.

And of course they just want nukes...they know it, everybody knows it, they know everybody knows it...

[chuckc]

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FYI...this thread was started in response to this thread

http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30981

In this thread everybody blaming US for worlds problems and i blame terror sponsors like Iran

[thesightless]

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i blame assholes.

[Glenn-Holmes]

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i have one problem with iran - their leader
he sounds too much like hittler, he don't believe that the hollocoast had really happened, and he thinks israel should be destroyed.

bad people are in every country around the world.
if we'll start hating nations cause of few radical groups that act in the name of their country we'll end up hating ourselves.

[KinKyJ]

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+1