Michael Schumacher's new job

[thesightless]

Re: Michael Schumacher's new job

dont trash F1. its the class of racing in general. best cars, best teams, and the most skilled drivers.

trash nascar. its a bunch of high school dropouts from middle america spending 4 hours driving in cirlces. i cant wait to hear tony stewart and the other firebrands from NASCAR once juan pablo hits them. i can see it now..

stewart--''that little spic put me in the wall. cant we keep them in mexico?''

[rewing3]

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everyone tries to be a dj these days.............

Exactly. The greats will always be around.

[cowardly dj]

Re: Michael Schumacher's new job

dont trash F1. its the class of racing in general. best cars, best teams, and the most skilled drivers.

trash nascar. its a bunch of high school dropouts from middle america spending 4 hours driving in cirlces. i cant wait to hear tony stewart and the other firebrands from NASCAR once juan pablo hits them. i can see it now..

stewart--''that little spic put me in the wall. cant we keep them in mexico?''

I am not a nascar fan at all. When I was in the Air Force I worked security at one of the races and it was the saddest thing I have ever seen. The lowest class of white trash known to man. Drunks, teethless, hillbilliy, rednecks driving all over the US watching other rednecks drive in circles.

[Kamal]

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dont trash F1. its the class of racing in general. best cars, best teams, and the most skilled drivers.

trash nascar. its a bunch of high school dropouts from middle america spending 4 hours driving in cirlces. i cant wait to hear tony stewart and the other firebrands from NASCAR once juan pablo hits them. i can see it now..

stewart--''that little spic put me in the wall. cant we keep them in mexico?''

Dude Damon Hill (when Williams Renault were still together) was a much better driver imo. Once they split up and Ferrari put out a faster car, McLaran Mercedes were trying to pay catch all along. Plus Michael had been racing way longer than the total time of existence for both Williams and Mercedes, its understandable he has a longer line of wins + awards under his belt

[Kobe]

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Dude Damon Hill (when Williams Renault were still together) was a much better driver imo. Once they split up and Ferrari put out a faster car, McLaran Mercedes were trying to pay catch all along. Plus Michael had been racing way longer than the total time of existence for both Williams and Mercedes, its understandable he has a longer line of wins + awards under his belt

Oh dear. There is alot that can be said of Schumacher, much of it not good, but please know that you are the only person to have ever claimed Hill was a better driver. Hill is considered average at best.

Schumacher's one true rival was Mika Hakkienen. Now Fernando Alonso has proven to be very worthy challenger as well.

[Kamal]

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Hakkinen ?? Do you know why ?? Because McLaren spent 2 million pounds (or was it dollars) on wind tunnel testing to make the Mercedes faster than the Ferrari for 2 straight years. It was only after Hakkinen was pulling a number on Schumi on straight races that Ferrari went back to the drawing board and pumped out another 35 HP from the same power block bringing Schumi back to the foreground.

Please dont tell me about how awesome hakkinen really was.

Back in the 90's the true competition was in fact between Damon and Schumi because the Williams and Ferrari power rating was nearly the same except Williams would out maneuver the Ferrari in turns (being slightly heavier) and Ferrari had the edge once out of the turns (being lighter). Yet Hill won.

So please share why you feel Hakkinen or even Schumi would have ANY advantage on both counts?

Granted I havent followed F1 since Hakkinen was out and they brought the blonde brit to the front line but from what I remember, I seriously dont think Schumi is or was anything special.

In fact there have been many more Ferrari drivers who hold records on circuits that Schumi can only dream of beating.

[djkix]

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never heard of the guy

get your head out of nascar.

[djkix]

Re: Michael Schumacher's new job

Most world titles: 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Most consecutive titles: 5 (2000-2004)
Most wins: 90
Most wins in a single season: 13 (2004)
Most consecutive wins in single season: 7 (2004)
Most wins at the same race: 8 (French GP)
Most wins from pole: 40
Most wins with one team: 71
Most pole positions: 68
Most front-row starts: 114
Most second place finishes: 43
Most podium finishes: 153
Most points scored: 1,354
Most points finishes: 188
Most points in a single season: 148 (from a maximum of 180, in 2004)
Most fastest laps: 75
Most races led: 139
Most consecutive podiums: 19 (USA 2001 ? Japan 2002)
Most consecutive points finishes: 24 (Hungary 2001 ? Malaysia 2003)
Most consecutive seasons with a win: 15
Most ?clean sweeps? (pole, win, fastest lap): 22
Largest points gap between champion and runner-up: 67 (2002)
Earliest title winner: 2002 (in July, with 6 races remaining)
Longest spell with one team: 11 seasons (Ferrari ? 1996-2006)
Most time between first and last race wins: 13 years, 11 months and 3 days
Never outqualified in 1992, 1993 or 1994
Only driver to have finished every race on the podium: 2002

well, i haven't kept up much since senna died but i never gave schumacher enough credit b/c he only seemed to have started winning after senna died and prost and mansell retired. well, i guess his skills did get better and he moved onto much better teams with the best technologies...

is it me or does he and bill clinton kinda resemble each other?

[Kamal]

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having said that, the only reason I feel Ferrari held on to Schumi for the time that they did is simply because he created a media image for himself that crowds came to see.

Moreover, build a faster car and a new champion is born is seriously what F1 has become. Case-and-point Raul Schumacher. I mean this guy popped outta no where (I even forget what bloody team was sponsoring him.)

But I do know that internal politics in F1 is way way more than what meets the public eye.

[djkix]

Re: Michael Schumacher's new job

nascar = rednecks = embarassment to america = george w. bush

[KinKyJ]

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Where are the days of Senna vs Prost? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=ayrton+senna

[Mr.Big]

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I started watching F1 races from about the age of 12 on.. I have to say for entertainments sake the days of schumi and hill were classic. I agree with the statement that hakkinen relied more on his car than pure talent. Although schumi was my hero i also grew to hate him.. He destroyed F1 for me as he just kept winning, race after race.. championship after championship, I like alot of other motorsport fans left F1 and started to watch others. I enjoy keeping up with motogp and Worldsuperbikes now and i also enjoy the BTCC or DTM..

I still love the glamour aspect of F1, the locations, the beautiful women and the technology put in the cars. I think a team should bring in another bad boy such as Eddie Irvine.

[Kobe]

Re: Michael Schumacher's new job

Kamal -

If you wish to attribute Hakkien's success to the aero development of the car, done by Adrian Newey, then it should be said that Newey was at Williams for the entire duration of Hills time with the team, so shouldn't we say the same of him?

As for Hakkienen, double world champion -98 & 99, put many competitive passes on MS during that time, consistantly outpaced his teammate. I'd say his track record speaks pretty clearly.

[Kamal]

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Hill only raced a Williams against Schumacher's Ferrari for a single season (96) which was MS 1st year at Ferrari, an uncompetitive team at the time. So I suppose you could say Hill beat MS, but that wasn't really the battle for the championship, the real battle was Hill only just managing to beat his then F1-rookie teammate Jacques Villeneuve. Going to the two previous seasons, when Schumacher was driving for Benneton, in 94 the FIA has to slap Schumacher with a 3 race suspension and take away a win at Spa to even give Hill a shot at the championship. In 1995 Schumacher dominated Hill. From 97 on Hill was hardly a factor at all. If anything can be said of Hill, he was the master of the Hungaroring, a dubious honor considering it is one of the least inspiring layouts on the calendar.

If you wish to attribute Hakkien's success to the aero development of the car, done by Adrian Newey, then it should be said that Newey was at Williams for the entire duration of Hills time with the team, so shouldn't we say the same of him?

As for Hakkienen, double world champion -98 & 99, put many competitive passes on MS during that time, consistantly outpaced his teammate Coultard his teammate. I'd say his track record speaks pretty clearly.

Bottom line, "I seriously dont think Schumi is or was anything special." is way off. Again, there are many bad things one can say about MS, but to say he was not a great driver is simply not one of them.

"In fact there have been many more Ferrari drivers who hold records on circuits that Schumi can only dream of beating."

Not a single one with a single record. There may be drivers we love and hold a special nostalgia for - Fangio, Surtees, Hill, Lauda, Gilles Villeneuve - but not a one of them hold any records over Schumacher, particularly at Ferrari.

Irrespective of who made / designed the aero on the Williams, end result was that both cars were nearly the same in terms of performance (as opposed to the McLaran actually outperforming the Ferrari). So naturally, DH has my vote against MS.

And my last statement of

"In fact there have been many more Ferrari drivers who hold records on circuits that Schumi can only dream of beating."

I stand corrected as of today - since Schumi appears to have broken the last records I remember were set by previous Ferrari Drivers and were still in place when I was keeping up with F1 8 years ago (when Hakkinen was just starting to win).

[Kobe]

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Fair enough, I try to avoid the very involved driver debates as unltimately there is no proving it one way or another. I actually edited down my post while you were responding simply because I don't want to blab on and on about it, you like Hill and you have every right to do so. I prolly do underrate him.

All I would ask is that you take my word that Hakkinen was great, as a Schumacher fan I don't hand out praise to his rivals very freely so if I'm going to give Mika full credit, then it is most definitely well earned.