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i can understand why. the Liberal media takes anything they can and skew it such a manor, that fucking heads pop. so that is my final answer and a true one at that.
:wink:
What liberal media?
All media in the USA is owned by large conglomerates who only benefit from Bushito & Company's laws and regulations. The new one taking away overtime from millions of people including your truly.
Cat formerly known as Cheshire
*cue imperial death march"
My problem with these threads is there are too many inaccuracies and half truths being made. And what bothers me is that most of these are made by non-Americans. Which is a little disturbing because this makes me think that your media in other countries reports inaccurate or incomplete data that puts Bush and/or the U.S. in a bad position.
I'm still finding it difficult to accept that so many foreigners to the U.S. are interested in our Presidential election. I don't show any interest in who's President, Prime Minister, or whatever in Germany, UK, or South Africa.
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte
my apologies for overreacting. truthfully i overlooked the part about it being a joke. im always up for debate and not confrontation, guess it just struck a nerve somehow. Davetlv, I admit that i've been on the defensive on this forum...its very very anti-administration-and so I guess I am overjoyed when it goes the other way, shame on me., Also I agree with your 4th and final points, nicely put. Toasty, i'd really like to see where you got that 4 to 44 million statistic. Sounds embellished to me.
"In case of doubt, attack." --- Gen. George Patton
[quote="toasty
IMHO, it is here in the States that Bush has really failed. His domestic policies have been to favor big business over individuals at pretty much every turn. The number of people without health insurance has risen from 4 million to 44 million during his adminstration, job growth is pitiful, and the stock market is lower today than it was when he took office -- I'm pretty sure that is a first. Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans. He's taken liberties with our civil liberties, allowing unprecedented government intrusion into our lives as citizens. Crazy shit here -- I really, really can't wait to see him go.[/quote]
Monday, August 23, 2004
Fact Sheet: President Bush Strengthens And Expands Overtime Pay For Workers
The Department of Labor's Regulations Will Deliver Overtime For An Additional 1.3 Million Workers. They ensure an additional 1.3 million workers will gain up to $375 million in additional earnings every year.
The Fraternal Order Of Police Supports The New Regulations. FOP National President Chuck Canterbury called the regulations an "unprecedented victory" for America's first responders. (Fraternal Order of Police, ?Final DOL Regulations Protect And Expand Overtime For America's First Responders,? Press Release, 4/20/04)
Clearer Rules Updated For The 21st Century Workplace Will Reduce Litigation Costs. They will also encourage employers to hire additional workers and strengthen Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) overtime protections for American workers.
These Changes Will Make It Easier For Workers To Know Their Rights, For Employers To Understand Their Obligations, And For The Department Of Labor To Enforce The FLSA.
The Winners Under The Old Regulations Were Trial Lawyers Involved With Overtime Lawsuits Draining $2 Billion From The Economy Each Year. The winners under this final regulation are workers.
Strengthening Overtime Protection
This Regulatory Change Is Part Of The President's Overall Tort Reform Efforts. The previous overtime rules were outdated, confusing and complex, requiring workers to spend years in federal court to receive the overtime pay they were entitled to. Federal court class actions for overtime pay have tripled since 1997 and now outnumber discrimination class actions.
The Old Rule Was Outdated. The previous rule, written in 1949, included examples of how to classify key punch operators, machine men, and straw bosses but said nothing about more current job classifications such as physicians' assistants, licensed practical nurses, or paralegals. Outdated rules made it much more difficult for workers and employers to apply the duties tests to determine exemptions.
President Bush Has Acted To Triple The Threshold Under Which Workers Are Automatically Entitled To Overtime Pay. The threshold increases from $8,060 (less than the minimum wage) to $23,660 - the largest increase since the FLSA's creation in 1938.
The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protection For More Than 6.7 Million Workers. This means:
5.4 million salaried workers, who under the previous regulations were unsure if they should be paid overtime, get an ironclad guarantee of overtime rights under the final rule -- regardless of their job duties.
1.3 million salaried white-collar workers, who were not entitled to overtime pay under the previous regulations, will now be entitled to either overtime pay or higher salaries.
The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protections For Blue-Collar Workers, Licensed Practical Nurses And First Responders. The rule clearly states for the first time that these workers are entitled to overtime.
There Are 1.3 Million White-Collar Salaried Workers Who Will Likely Gain Overtime. These include:
249,044 managers and administrators
143,856 sales supervisors and proprietors
79,936 teachers, teacher aids and librarians
51,848 accountants and auditors
49,387 computer systems analysts, computer programmers and scientists
45,506 registered nurses
45,404 health care managers
36,422 investigators and adjustors
32,399 designers
31,190 financial managers
The Changes Guarantee Overtime To:
An employee working 50 hours per week managing a restaurant for $15,600 per year.
A worker putting in 60 hours a week managing a department store for $18,000 per year.
An employee working 42 hours a week supervising a machine shop for $17,000 per year.
So ummm...Toasty...I'd really like to know where you get your information??! Once again you've made an ambitious attempt to sour the presidents reputation. Im afraid you've come up short my friend. Here the president has revised labor laws to adapt to 2004's volitile economy...the only person it is benefiting is the worker, and you spin the facts into your own little clouded perception. I just think its very irresponsible toasty. Wise up. Does it cause you pain to give props where they are due. C'mon this policy is a homerun for the worker man. Do your homework.
"In case of doubt, attack." --- Gen. George Patton
Toasty wrote:
"IMHO, it is here in the States that Bush has really failed. His domestic policies have been to favor big business over individuals at pretty much every turn. The number of people without health insurance has risen from 4 million to 44 million during his adminstration, job growth is pitiful, and the stock market is lower today than it was when he took office -- I'm pretty sure that is a first. Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans. He's taken liberties with our civil liberties, allowing unprecedented government intrusion into our lives as citizens. Crazy shit here -- I really, really can't wait to see him go."
Now Toasty-I respect your opinion if you dont like our president...but once again lets just make sure we have the facts correct! Go to the Bureau Of Labor Statistics, they are completely non-partisan. This information was disclosed by Republicans and Democrats alike. Btw, this thread has been officially hijacked and for good reason.
Friday, August 20, 2004
The Economy Line: Unemployment Declines
Unemployment Rates Lower In 49 States. "Unemployment rates were lower than a year earlier in all but one state and the District of Columbia. Oregon again reported the largest rate decrease from a year ago (-1.9 percentage points), followed by Washington (-1.7 points) and North Carolina (-1.6 points). ... Over the year, nonfarm employment increased in 46 states and the District of Columbia and decreased in 4 states." ("Regional And State Employment And Unemployment: July 2004," Press Release, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/20/04)
Initial Jobless Claims Fall. "The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance unexpectedly fell for a third week as companies continued to hold on to workers, a government report showed. Initial jobless claims fell by 3,000 to 331,000 from a revised 334,000 the week before, the Labor Department said in Washington. It was the lowest level since 309,000 the week ended July 3. The four-week moving average, a less volatile measure, fell 2,500 to 337,000." ("U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Fell 3,000 To 331,000 Last Week," Bloomberg, 8/19/04)
Wednesday, August 11, 2004
Fact Sheet: Supporting America's Small Businesses
President Bush recognizes that supporting America's small businesses is critical to ensuring continued job creation. Small businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, employ more than half of all workers, and account for more than half of the output of our economy. Because small businesses are vital to our prosperity and reflect the hard work of the American people, President Bush has taken important steps to assist small businesses and the people they employ by reducing taxes, encouraging investment, and removing obstacles to growth.
President Bush has worked to make health care more affordable. President Bush has called for Association Health Plans (AHPs) to give America's working families greater access to affordable health insurance. By allowing small businesses to band together and negotiate on behalf of their employees and families, AHPs would help small businesses and employees obtain health insurance at an affordable price, much like large employers and unions. President Bush has also signed into law health savings accounts (HSAs), which combine low-cost, high-deductible health insurance with tax-free savings accounts to pay for health care expenses and save for future medical needs. President Bush has also proposed to make premiums for health insurance purchased in conjunction with an HSA tax deductible.
"In case of doubt, attack." --- Gen. George Patton
Monday, August 23, 2004
Fact Sheet: President Bush Strengthens And Expands Overtime Pay For Workers
The Department of Labor's Regulations Will Deliver Overtime For An Additional 1.3 Million Workers. They ensure an additional 1.3 million workers will gain up to $375 million in additional earnings every year.
The Fraternal Order Of Police Supports The New Regulations. FOP National President Chuck Canterbury called the regulations an "unprecedented victory" for America's first responders. (Fraternal Order of Police, ?Final DOL Regulations Protect And Expand Overtime For America's First Responders,? Press Release, 4/20/04)
Clearer Rules Updated For The 21st Century Workplace Will Reduce Litigation Costs. They will also encourage employers to hire additional workers and strengthen Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) overtime protections for American workers.
These Changes Will Make It Easier For Workers To Know Their Rights, For Employers To Understand Their Obligations, And For The Department Of Labor To Enforce The FLSA.
The Winners Under The Old Regulations Were Trial Lawyers Involved With Overtime Lawsuits Draining $2 Billion From The Economy Each Year. The winners under this final regulation are workers.
Strengthening Overtime Protection
This Regulatory Change Is Part Of The President's Overall Tort Reform Efforts. The previous overtime rules were outdated, confusing and complex, requiring workers to spend years in federal court to receive the overtime pay they were entitled to. Federal court class actions for overtime pay have tripled since 1997 and now outnumber discrimination class actions.
The Old Rule Was Outdated. The previous rule, written in 1949, included examples of how to classify key punch operators, machine men, and straw bosses but said nothing about more current job classifications such as physicians' assistants, licensed practical nurses, or paralegals. Outdated rules made it much more difficult for workers and employers to apply the duties tests to determine exemptions.
President Bush Has Acted To Triple The Threshold Under Which Workers Are Automatically Entitled To Overtime Pay. The threshold increases from $8,060 (less than the minimum wage) to $23,660 - the largest increase since the FLSA's creation in 1938.
The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protection For More Than 6.7 Million Workers. This means:
5.4 million salaried workers, who under the previous regulations were unsure if they should be paid overtime, get an ironclad guarantee of overtime rights under the final rule -- regardless of their job duties.
1.3 million salaried white-collar workers, who were not entitled to overtime pay under the previous regulations, will now be entitled to either overtime pay or higher salaries.
The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protections For Blue-Collar Workers, Licensed Practical Nurses And First Responders. The rule clearly states for the first time that these workers are entitled to overtime.
There Are 1.3 Million White-Collar Salaried Workers Who Will Likely Gain Overtime. These include:
249,044 managers and administrators
143,856 sales supervisors and proprietors
79,936 teachers, teacher aids and librarians
51,848 accountants and auditors
49,387 computer systems analysts, computer programmers and scientists
45,506 registered nurses
45,404 health care managers
36,422 investigators and adjustors
32,399 designers
31,190 financial managers
The Changes Guarantee Overtime To:
An employee working 50 hours per week managing a restaurant for $15,600 per year.
A worker putting in 60 hours a week managing a department store for $18,000 per year.
An employee working 42 hours a week supervising a machine shop for $17,000 per year.
So ummm...Toasty...I'd really like to know where you get your information??! Once again you've made an ambitious attempt to sour the presidents reputation. Im afraid you've come up short my friend. Here the president has revised labor laws to adapt to 2004's volitile economy...the only person it is benefiting is the worker, and you spin the facts into your own little clouded perception. I just think its very irresponsible toasty. Wise up. Does it cause you pain to give props where they are due. C'mon this policy is a homerun for the worker man. Do your homework.
For those of you that were wondering where our man neuro could have unearthed such an insightful and fair and balanced take on the issue, here's the link:
Let me see if I've got this straight -- you cut and paste the talking points, VERBATIM, from the Bush-Cheney web site and purport to blast ME for failing to do my homework? You can be a mouthpiece for the GOP if you'd like and simply parrot the BS you hear coming out of Bush's campaign headquarters, but I prefer to do a little more research and exercise some fucking independent thought when developing my take on the issues.
You want to know where I get my information? Believe it or not, the thoughts and opinions I express on this board are my own, and if they're not, you'll see a link to the source material. Those thoughts and opinions are based upon facts and other information gleaned from all sorts of sources: CNN, Fox News, the AP Wire, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh, Air America, The O'Reilly Factor, candidate and party web sites, polls, and any other information I can get my hands on.
If anyone on this board ever, and I do mean EVER sees me post something right off of the Kerry website in support of my position on something, without further substantive comment, drag me out into a field, beat me, and leave me for dead.
With all that said, I will grant you that the new overtime regs do not significantly alter the situation for most blue collar workers. It does, however, allow employers to reclassify their white-collar employees that currently earn overtime so that they do not. Moreover, although it is true that 1.3 million workers may gain overtime, some estimates put the number of employees that will lose overtime as high as 6 million, per Fox News. Really, though, all you need to know to know whether this benefits workers or employers is that businesses have been clamoring for this change for 50 years.
Friday, August 20, 2004
The Economy Line: Unemployment Declines
Unemployment Rates Lower In 49 States. "Unemployment rates were lower than a year earlier in all but one state and the District of Columbia. Oregon again reported the largest rate decrease from a year ago (-1.9 percentage points), followed by Washington (-1.7 points) and North Carolina (-1.6 points). ... Over the year, nonfarm employment increased in 46 states and the District of Columbia and decreased in 4 states." ("Regional And State Employment And Unemployment: July 2004," Press Release, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/20/04)
Initial Jobless Claims Fall. "The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance unexpectedly fell for a third week as companies continued to hold on to workers, a government report showed. Initial jobless claims fell by 3,000 to 331,000 from a revised 334,000 the week before, the Labor Department said in Washington. It was the lowest level since 309,000 the week ended July 3. The four-week moving average, a less volatile measure, fell 2,500 to 337,000." ("U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Fell 3,000 To 331,000 Last Week," Bloomberg, 8/19/04)
Wednesday, August 11, 2004
Fact Sheet: Supporting America's Small Businesses
President Bush recognizes that supporting America's small businesses is critical to ensuring continued job creation. Small businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, employ more than half of all workers, and account for more than half of the output of our economy. Because small businesses are vital to our prosperity and reflect the hard work of the American people, President Bush has taken important steps to assist small businesses and the people they employ by reducing taxes, encouraging investment, and removing obstacles to growth.
President Bush has worked to make health care more affordable. President Bush has called for Association Health Plans (AHPs) to give America's working families greater access to affordable health insurance. By allowing small businesses to band together and negotiate on behalf of their employees and families, AHPs would help small businesses and employees obtain health insurance at an affordable price, much like large employers and unions. President Bush has also signed into law health savings accounts (HSAs), which combine low-cost, high-deductible health insurance with tax-free savings accounts to pay for health care expenses and save for future medical needs. President Bush has also proposed to make premiums for health insurance purchased in conjunction with an HSA tax deductible.
Toasty whats there to be ashamed of? Are these statements not true because they come from Bushs camp...I mean he is the president of the United States you know, dont you feel its his duty to report such milestones made during his administration for labor and such to tax payers. Or should he leave it up to the Washington Post, or the New York Times?? Nothing said here is inaccurate is it? Is it not his duty to thoroughly outline what a policy truly says and who it will affect?? You kill me with this "Oh because it comes from Bushs site it should be automatically disregarded" thing. Cite me somewhere it allows employers to reclassify white collar employees? Or is that just YOUR interpretation? Im not submitting quotes saying "vote Bush because hes cool" from his cabinet members or family. You, toasty, threw another wild pitch with your "Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans" statement, it was wreckless and apparantly you and possibly some of the other readers here dont understand exactly what this policy will do. So im happy to have been able to outline that for you. Also, that 4 to 44 million is troubling if its true, alot more changes need to take place in healthcare.
"In case of doubt, attack." --- Gen. George Patton
Originally posted by "toasty
IMHO, it is here in the States that Bush has really failed. His domestic policies have been to favor big business over individuals at pretty much every turn. The number of people without health insurance has risen from 4 million to 44 million during his adminstration, job growth is pitiful, and the stock market is lower today than it was when he took office -- I'm pretty sure that is a first. Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans. He's taken liberties with our civil liberties, allowing unprecedented government intrusion into our lives as citizens. Crazy shit here -- I really, really can't wait to see him go.[/quote
Monday, August 23, 2004
Fact Sheet: President Bush Strengthens And Expands Overtime Pay For Workers
The Department of Labor's Regulations Will Deliver Overtime For An Additional 1.3 Million Workers. They ensure an additional 1.3 million workers will gain up to $375 million in additional earnings every year.
The Fraternal Order Of Police Supports The New Regulations. FOP National President Chuck Canterbury called the regulations an "unprecedented victory" for America's first responders. (Fraternal Order of Police, ?Final DOL Regulations Protect And Expand Overtime For America's First Responders,? Press Release, 4/20/04)
Clearer Rules Updated For The 21st Century Workplace Will Reduce Litigation Costs. They will also encourage employers to hire additional workers and strengthen Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) overtime protections for American workers.
These Changes Will Make It Easier For Workers To Know Their Rights, For Employers To Understand Their Obligations, And For The Department Of Labor To Enforce The FLSA.
The Winners Under The Old Regulations Were Trial Lawyers Involved With Overtime Lawsuits Draining $2 Billion From The Economy Each Year. The winners under this final regulation are workers.
Strengthening Overtime Protection
This Regulatory Change Is Part Of The President's Overall Tort Reform Efforts. The previous overtime rules were outdated, confusing and complex, requiring workers to spend years in federal court to receive the overtime pay they were entitled to. Federal court class actions for overtime pay have tripled since 1997 and now outnumber discrimination class actions.
The Old Rule Was Outdated. The previous rule, written in 1949, included examples of how to classify key punch operators, machine men, and straw bosses but said nothing about more current job classifications such as physicians' assistants, licensed practical nurses, or paralegals. Outdated rules made it much more difficult for workers and employers to apply the duties tests to determine exemptions.
President Bush Has Acted To Triple The Threshold Under Which Workers Are Automatically Entitled To Overtime Pay. The threshold increases from $8,060 (less than the minimum wage) to $23,660 - the largest increase since the FLSA's creation in 1938.
The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protection For More Than 6.7 Million Workers. This means:
5.4 million salaried workers, who under the previous regulations were unsure if they should be paid overtime, get an ironclad guarantee of overtime rights under the final rule -- regardless of their job duties.
1.3 million salaried white-collar workers, who were not entitled to overtime pay under the previous regulations, will now be entitled to either overtime pay or higher salaries.
The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protections For Blue-Collar Workers, Licensed Practical Nurses And First Responders. The rule clearly states for the first time that these workers are entitled to overtime.
There Are 1.3 Million White-Collar Salaried Workers Who Will Likely Gain Overtime. These include:
249,044 managers and administrators
143,856 sales supervisors and proprietors
79,936 teachers, teacher aids and librarians
51,848 accountants and auditors
49,387 computer systems analysts, computer programmers and scientists
45,506 registered nurses
45,404 health care managers
36,422 investigators and adjustors
32,399 designers
31,190 financial managers
The Changes Guarantee Overtime To:
An employee working 50 hours per week managing a restaurant for $15,600 per year.
A worker putting in 60 hours a week managing a department store for $18,000 per year.
An employee working 42 hours a week supervising a machine shop for $17,000 per year.
So ummm...Toasty...I'd really like to know where you get your information??! Once again you've made an ambitious attempt to sour the presidents reputation. Im afraid you've come up short my friend. Here the president has revised labor laws to adapt to 2004's volitile economy...the only person it is benefiting is the worker, and you spin the facts into your own little clouded perception. I just think its very irresponsible toasty. Wise up. Does it cause you pain to give props where they are due. C'mon this policy is a homerun for the worker man. Do your homework.
BULLSHIT!
Propaganda put out by his Dept. of Labor.
People need to read what the law says not the rah rah put out by Bushito's asslickers.
Cat formerly known as Cheshire
*cue imperial death march"
Toasty whats there to be ashamed of? Are these statements not true because they come from Bushs camp...I mean he is the president of the United States you know, dont you feel its his duty to report such milestones made during his administration for labor and such to tax payers. Or should he leave it up to the Washington Post, or the New York Times?? Nothing said here is inaccurate is it? Is it not his duty to thoroughly outline what a policy truly says and who it will affect?? You kill me with this "Oh because it comes from Bushs site it should be automatically disregarded" thing. Cite me somewhere it allows employers to reclassify white collar employees? Or is that just YOUR interpretation? Im not submitting quotes saying "vote Bush because hes cool" from his cabinet members or family. You, toasty, threw another wild pitch with your "Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans" statement, it was wreckless and apparantly you and possibly some of the other readers here dont understand exactly what this policy will do. So im happy to have been able to outline that for you. Also, that 4 to 44 million is troubling if its true, alot more changes need to take place in healthcare.
Dude, have another glass of Kool-Aid.
Listen, neuro, I enjoy having intelligent discussion and debate about political issues. Me providing my interpretation of Bush's domestic track record and policies, followed by you cutting and pasting something someone else has come up with is not an intelligent debate, nor is it a good use of my time. I read Bush's web site, I don't need someone to remind me of what it says.
The stuff coming off of Bush's website puts the plan in the best possible light. As you might expect, the stuff coming off of the Kerry site puts it in the worst possible light. Other media outlets fall somewhere in the middle. This should not be news to you. So, no, the fact that it is on the Bush website doesn't mean that it is wrong, but it does deserve a closer look. A little objectivity is a good thing.
If you want to debate, let's debate, but if you're just going to repeat the talking points from www.georgewbush.com, I'd prefer to just drop it and agree to disagree.
I will say this is closing. The new overtime rules exempt white-collar employees from overtime based upon job duties, setting forth certain "safe harbors" for employers where they know they can avoid paying overtime if certain requirements are met. Employee compensation is a huge part of overhead for many companies, and overtime obviously adds to that overhead. If you think for a minute that some companies are not going to take advantage of these safe harbors by restructuring their chain of command to meet these requirements, you're kidding yourself.
Now this doesn't affect me personally, but it is demonstrative of the way that Bush will do things that favor big business by including provisions that are subject to abuse, but trumpet about them as if they are victories for the workers. Lots of smoke and mirrors, that's all it is...
What I don't understand here, is the fact that you rip off the American government about all kinds of things but your government sits back and allows "crime's against humanity" to go on right under their noses and do nothing. One thing good about what happened with iraq is that the Americans got rid of a dictator who continously harmed his own people, much like what Robert Mugabe has and is doing to the people of Zimbabwe.
Now tell me, whats better;
i) to sit back and let such things happen with the attitude of "it's not our business"
or
ii) to use everything in your power to do something about it?
I don't think that you think about what you're going on about. Look closer to home and have a look at what your own government is doing(or not) before you go bitching about someone else's.
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