Pataky Pal does exist

[geoffgulley]

Re: God does exist

ask any jew and they'll tell you (for the right amount of money... joke) that the bible (old testament) was basically written to scare the shit out of them and make them fly right (or forget they were stuck in a desert forver)... funny, you see christians interpretating the old testament (like sean said, by jews for jews) but never see jews interpretating the new testament now do you?






...and yes, i stole most of that from lewis black.... who's jewish.... tada!

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

just the facts.

[rubyraks]

Re: God does exist

Your argument above does nothing but show that the words attributed to "god" within the bible are true, but in saying those things you're already accepting the assumption that god exists and actually did say these things. Where are the actual facts that prove god exists (not that what people claim is god's words are true)? If I say the world is round and it so happens to be true does that prove I'm god?

[geoffgulley]

Re: God does exist

... i'm definitely bringing a bible to wmc next year..... it'll be fun!

[thesightless]

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imma dress in a frock and walk around with picklemonkey, MJ dub and anonin so ppl think im molesting children

[rubyraks]

Re: God does exist

ask any jew and they'll tell you (for the right amount of money... joke) that the bible (old testament) was basically written to scare the shit out of them and make them fly right (or forget they were stuck in a desert forver)... funny, you see christians interpretating the old testament (like sean said, by jews for jews) but never see jews interpretating the new testament now do you?






...and yes, i stole most of that from lewis black.... who's jewish.... tada!

I could tell you from many many years of yeshiva that that just isn't true or alternatively, if you were to ask less fundamental/religious christians they'd tell you the same thing.

[rubyraks]

Re: God does exist

... i'm definitely bringing a bible to wmc next year..... it'll be fun!

We'll just circle the sins we commit as they happen (let's try and circle the whole thing)...it'll really make confession for those of you who do much easier!

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

go back to my question.

if you worked at the smithsonian, or for another agency that has unlimited scientific tools, and could repeatedly preform an experiment,

how do you prove to the scientific communitiy that god created earth?
how do you prove a soul exists as opposed to what a brain really is, a series of chemical reactions ingrained into a central nervous system?
how do we prove the 7 days theory (really a 6 day with a day off) as opposed to proven, verifiable theories of the big bang, and evolution.\

I will be addressing various aspects of your questions periodically throught this thread. For now I will give a quick answer to them.

First - You can not prove to the scientific comminity that God created the earth because they do not accept the existence of God. They have to get over that hurdle first in order to understand the evidence that is left to prove that God created the earth.
At best I can offer you my evidence denying specific claims of the scientific community.
One of the things I will be addressing in this thread is some of the various aspects of science vs. the Bible. Please stick around and they will unfold as quickly as I can find time to post them. Some are very lenghty and in depth.

Second - the brain is exactly what you say it is, chemicals and electrical impulses. The brain is only the physical aspect of the two halves of the human experience. The key here is consciousness. That is the one single thing that science can not account for. I plan on posting a great deal of information on this subject. It is probably my favorite when it comes to the science vs. God debate. For now I will give you some quotes from noted scientists who are not in favor of the consciouness being called a soul if you know what I mean.

"The problem of consciousness has been identified as an outstanding intellectual challenge across disciplines ranging from basic neuroscience through psychological to philosophical, although opinions vary widely on the chances of acheving a solution." (Zeman, 2001)

"Why do we have "sentience", as we might call it? Why do we have the capacity of self-awareness?... Why is it that, what is essentially no more than a bunch of atoms, should have thinking ability?...I'm afraid that at this point we start to run out of answers. The Darwinian qua Darwinian is reduced to silence. This is not to deny the existence of consciouness. Anything but!... The point is that as a Darwinian, that is to say as a scientist and an evolutionist, there seems to be no answer. (Ruse 2001)

I am going to have to get back with you on the 6 day theory because in order to do that I have to disprove evolution which is a process I will be going through in depth as this thread progresses.

[geoffgulley]

Re: God does exist

forget all of this. i have definite proof God exists:

























"arthur, arthur, king of the britons.... oh stop groveling, if there's one thing i can't stand it groveling. and quit saying your sorry. it's always 'sorry this and forgive me that'".

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

I am going to have to get back with you on the 6 day theory because in order to do that I have to disprove evolution which is a process I will be going through in depth as this thread progresses.

still zero verifiable, concrete proof, but this should be fucking good. someone meet me at the bronx zoo so we can tell the apes and gorillas and monkeys they dont really exist.

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

how do you account for the fact that your church does not acknowledge sentience amoung non humans when in fact, you can tell when a dog is excited, sad, dreaming. or how a cat knows to run from said dog. they clearly have sentience.

if you were referring to sapient, a term used to explain human self awareness, then that is a different story, thats because we can see, touch, hear, feel others.

[hulkhuss]

Re: God does exist

... i'm definitely bringing a bible to wmc next year..... it'll be fun!

there will be one in your hotel room

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

I am trying to answer the posts in the order they come but you have to take into account there are many of you and only one of me.

I am doing that because I am trying to respect the questions people are asking here because I do not want them to think I am ingoring them ahem...ahem...

I will be posting the facts I claim as soon as I can but please keep in mind that some of them are very lenghty and very in depth and I am tyrping them in word because I am writing a book on the subject

All I ask is for you guys to have patience as you well know this is a very in depth topic that has been around for ages and can take some time to explain.

I will offer a good website if you are interested to browse as it is time for me to go to bed.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/

I must make a disclaimer abou this website though because to not do so would be a discredit to me.
The individual by the name of Dave Miller is a known false teaher on the specific topic of marriage, divorce and remarriage. However the information on this website is very interesting and informative and I am willing to bet that you can find many of the answers to your questions here. But please do continue to ask me questions as it keeps me sharp and increases my studying. And I like to hear your responses on the various subjects. In fact this website may increase your questions you may have so I encourage you to bring them here for me to discuss.

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

wow man. do you own a suit of armor and a family crested sheild? maybe some peasants you allow to work your land in exchange for a room? a stallion and lance?


dark ages.

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

how do you account for the fact that your church does not acknowledge sentience amoung non humans when in fact, you can tell when a dog is excited, sad, dreaming. or how a cat knows to run from said dog. they clearly have sentience.

if you were referring to sapient, a term used to explain human self awareness, then that is a different story, thats because we can see, touch, hear, feel others.

I was just quoting what ruse said. I do not know off the top of my head what he defines sentience as

What humans have is consiousness - that is defined as self-awareness

Animas merely have what is called survival instinct. eat, reproduce, drink, very basic stuff that can not be compared to self-awarenes