Pataky Pal does exist

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

All I am saying sightless is that in the context presented there is absolutely no implication that the fountains of the deep is an anology for satan..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

[rubyraks]

Re: God does exist

I am not trying to convert anyone. It is people like you that ridicule me day after day, post after post and for what? Not because I have done or said anything insulting to warrant such treatment. In nearly every thread I post in no matter what the topic religion is brought up and it is not by me. Then when I defend my position on whatever my comment is people post even more insults and basically treat me like less of a person because I use God as my basis for life.

I think you and a number of others should take a long look in the mirror as to why you insult as you do. I am fully aware (probably even more aware than most of you) as to why you hurl the insults at me. It is simply because you do not like God or the Bible, not because you do not like me.

Lets examine why people do not like God for a minute and I am willing to guess that you and many others here will fall into this category. God says do not drink alcohol. People like to drink alcohol so if they were to follow God they would have to give that up. God says do not use profane language. People like to use profanity in their everyday conversations to express their thoughts make jokes etc. People who follow God have to give that up also. How about drugs, dancing, and even promiscuity. That is the biggest problem people have with God. If you follow God you are to have one partner for life. Lets face it, people are not willing to give things up to follow God. Simply put God has rules and prohibitions and most people are tired of rules and prohibitions so they dismiss any and everything about God to ease their conscious. You have rules in your life every second of it and it does get to be tiresome. Do this, dont do that, go here, take this, stop that and whatever you would like to add here.


You have no idea who I am other than a follower of God. Sure my comments are based on a beliefe system and you should know that yours are as well. Have I ever insulted your system of beliefs you or anyone elses for that matter? The resounding answer is no.

I am not the one with the problem here. All I am doing is participating in a forum just as you and everyone else here. People have said in other threads that I should not post anything if it does not apply to music and yet they participate in threads about "nonsense", terrorism, jokes, and the list could go on. That is what is called a double standard. Lets talk about whatever we want but not let people talk about religion.

It boils down to this. As long as I am a member of this board I have as much right to post whatever comments, and toipcs I choose as equally as everyone else here. When you click on the thread and post you are participating as well even if it is to insult, it is still participation.

I hold no bad feeling to you or anyone else that insutls me because as I stated earlier it is not me you insult is is God and the system He stands for. You know that and I know that.

I enjoy talking about this with other people and reading their comments on God. I encourage you and everyone else to continue to participate and post comments and I will continue to sift through the insults and ridicule.

I will be posting a vast amount of information here and it willget very interesting in the near futuer. It will be a great debate and much wisdon will be put to the test for everyone who participates in this thread.

Sit back relax and be a little more tolerant of what other people use as their basis for life. You might find some things to be more interesting if you see them as simply knowledge and not see them as an attempt to change your life.

No offense, but there is so much condescension in this post I don't know where to begin. You complain about people insulting you for your beliefs, but have no respect for other's beliefs. You insult those who disagree with you by claiming that they reject god and the bible because their lives don't coincide with a godly life. Is it not possible to live a moral life without believing in god? The bible can be split up into two different sets of laws: those between man and man and those between man and god. Is it not possible to respect and upkeep those between man and man and just not do those between man and god? Does that make the person immoral? or merely irreligious?

You continue to define the truthfulness of the bible through it's own words...in other forums this is commonly referred to as a circular argument. It's about the equivalent of defining a word by using the word itself in the definition. It tells me nothing. Show us proof outside the bible and perhaps then you have a chance of being taken seriously.

I, like the few others who have posted here, come from a very religious background as well. I've studied the bible inside and out as well. I've looked for faith, but you just can't find something like that...you just kinda have to feel it. You do; I don't. I respect those who do have it...it'd be nice if those believers at least had some respect for those who don't...rather than grouping us as immorals. That's just plain pompous, if you ask me...

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

fucking attorneys.

define ''is''

[rubyraks]

Re: God does exist

just remember, you'd be nowhere if it weren't for us attorneys finding you the loopholes

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

hey, you guys kept me out of jail twice so far......

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

but have no respect for other's beliefs. You insult those who disagree with you by claiming that they reject god and the bible because their lives don't coincide with a godly life.

I disagree with you here. I have not insulted anyone or their beliefs. I am simply stating the facts that have led me to where I am today in my understanding of God and the Bible.

As for not using the Bible to define God, that is like asking scientist to prove the big bang without using science. Since the Bible and God go hand in hand and the Bible claims to be the inerrant infallable word of God then certainly (being a lawyer) you can understnd that it needs to prove its claims.

So if you were in court and made an accusation against an opponent and the judge told you to prove the accusation without referring to the accusation or its origins then I am sure you would think that the judge lost his/her mind.

Fatctually speaking if something/someone makes a claim then it is up to that something/someone to substatiate this claim. Just because it is God does not allow you to change the rules and say prove it without using the one thing God gave you.

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

Just for the record if anyone who does not believe God exists and wants to debate evolution I am well prepared to do that as well.

[BSully828]

Re: God does exist

At this point CDJ, what's the use?

The problem is that the distance between the two arguments is so vast, the viewpoints so staunch, that there really is no way to bridge the gap. You are so certain that your stance is correct that you feel the evidence you provide is, well... self-evident. Fountains of the deep? Of course! Underwater vents - Praise be to God! Bible says so, must be true.

But for me, and apparently others here, it just doesn't work that way. To think in those terms is to flatly ignore a whole other world of experience that exists right before our very eyes day after day. I asked you a question earlier in this post regarding a person who lived a life completely unaware of the Catholic world view. You responded with a comparison between the Hindu and Christian creation myth (your version of the Hindu one is a little misleading and off the mark btw), but I think you missed my point all together.

There is one question I ask people of your esteem that has never been answered, I even had a brief email exchange with Ravi Zachariah about this question and he couldn't answer it either. And the question is this: How can you tell someone who, by all veritable standards, lives a honest, good and moral life that they are wrong just because they focused their worship on a deity other than the one found in your Good Book?

They are just as faithful, honest, caring, kind and true as you - but they thank (for example) the Great Eagle instead of God. They are just as confident that they are following the right path as you are, and devote just as much time, energy and emotion into living that path as you do, yet you claim time and time again that they are wrong. I'm sorry but that cannot - absolutely, positively - cannot be true. Put up all the "empirical" evidence you want. Make as many claims that the Bible is the only record of note as you like - but at the end of the day, none will answer that question.

What do you think is more important - the object that is being worshipped or the sincerity, honesty and intensity of that worship? Is it more important to live a good, honest life as you can best incorporate into your being or to follow one particular version of the oldest story ever told? Do you really, truly believe that God is so petty that he would smite the poor soul who was as just as Job if he worshiped Mithra instead of Him? Does the highest being of all creation value His own popularity over his creation living a good, honest, moral existence regardless who he says his prayers to at night?

As I've said before - the best example that God works in mysterious ways is in the infinite number of masks He's used to show Himself to us. And it is not that mask that matters, but the meaning behind it.

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

bsully I have not been avoiding your question it is just that it would take some time to answer.

I can however tell you why God would do such a thing but it would take a great lenthy discussion on its own.

[thesightless]

Re: God does exist

waitasecond

did you just honestly deny evolution?

get on a plane, go to the smithsonian, and look around. if you still have trouble accepting evolution, ask one of the scientists there, they will show you and allow you to look, examine, and verify the existence.

i am now officially comparing this thread to this situation.

you are horny, so you go get a stanley power drill and boring bit, you walk to a tree, bore a hole in it, and try to fuck the tree. no lube, just splinters and people asking ''what the hell is this guy doing?

[Lorn]

Re: God does exist

What do you think is more important - the object that is being worshipped or the sincerity, honesty and intensity of that worship? Is it more important to live a good, honest life as you can best incorporate into your being or to follow one particular version of the oldest story ever told? Do you really, truly believe that God is so petty that he would smite the poor soul who was as just as Job if he worshiped Mithra instead of Him? Does the highest being of all creation value His own popularity over his creation living a good, honest, moral existence regardless who he says his prayers to at night?

As I've said before - the best example that God works in mysterious ways is in the infinite number of masks He's used to show Himself to us. And it is not that mask that matters, but the meaning behind it.

Well said my friend. I firmly believe in God. In fact I am a devout christian. This fits perfectly into how I see the Lord.

[cowardly dj]

Re: God does exist

Please refer to this thread for a different approach to this and a continuation of this thread

http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32839

[Kobe]

Re: God does exist

retreat, stage 1^^

Preach on BSully. CDJ, take notes from him, he is doing are far better job of promoting belief than you are. You slam us with empty bible quotes, he is bringing honest reasoning. I will never accept your narrow view of what I already hold to be true, that being the belief in a higher power and the human spirit. So much for your theory that people hate god....

[rubyraks]

Re: God does exist

but have no respect for other's beliefs. You insult those who disagree with you by claiming that they reject god and the bible because their lives don't coincide with a godly life.

I disagree with you here. I have not insulted anyone or their beliefs. I am simply stating the facts that have led me to where I am today in my understanding of God and the Bible.

Did you forget that you had said:

Lets examine why people do not like God for a minute and I am willing to guess that you and many others here will fall into this category. God says do not drink alcohol. People like to drink alcohol so if they were to follow God they would have to give that up. God says do not use profane language. People like to use profanity in their everyday conversations to express their thoughts make jokes etc. People who follow God have to give that up also. How about drugs, dancing, and even promiscuity. That is the biggest problem people have with God. If you follow God you are to have one partner for life. Lets face it, people are not willing to give things up to follow God. Simply put God has rules and prohibitions and most people are tired of rules and prohibitions so they dismiss any and everything about God to ease their conscious. You have rules in your life every second of it and it does get to be tiresome. Do this, dont do that, go here, take this, stop that and whatever you would like to add here.

Next point:

As for not using the Bible to define God, that is like asking scientist to prove the big bang without using science. Since the Bible and God go hand in hand and the Bible claims to be the inerrant infallable word of God then certainly (being a lawyer) you can understnd that it needs to prove its claims.

I have no problem with you using the bible to define god, but you still need to prove that definition...just because it says so doesn't make it a fact. The definition may come from within, but the proof needs to come from without. Scientists' proof of the big bang isn't because they write about it.

So if you were in court and made an accusation against an opponent and the judge told you to prove the accusation without referring to the accusation or its origins then I am sure you would think that the judge lost his/her mind.

Fatctually speaking if something/someone makes a claim then it is up to that something/someone to substatiate this claim. Just because it is God does not allow you to change the rules and say prove it without using the one thing God gave you.

First, a lawyer doens't use their opponent to prove their case, they use a lot of outside evidence. Otherwise, every defendent who said they committed the crime would be found guilty without a trial and that's just not true. Or are you saying that John Mark Karr did kill Jon Benet Ramsey because he said he did?

And lastly, I'm not trying to change the rules...I'm all for a valid logical argument. So let me see if understand this correctly: If you're going to prove god's existence through a book that you claim is written by god, could you prove to me that in fact the book was written by god?

[speciale]

Re: God does exist

lawyers!!!

A biker walks into a yuppie bar and shouts, “All lawyers are assholes!” He looks around, obviously hoping for a challenge.
Finally a guy comes up to him, taps him on the shoulder, and says, “Take that back.”
The biker says, “Why? Are you a lawyer?” “No, I’m an asshole.”