That's a Bold Statement

**Jenks** · October 12, 2006, 12:04:08 AM

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This is going to sound ...well...i dunno, but here it is:

Hitler was not an idiot, in fact, he was very intelligent and charismatic. Fucked up ideas- yes, idiot- no. On the same line, i do not think that Bush is an idiot, nor do i think his administration = a bunch of fumbing fuckwits. I think they have a very unique and intelligent, albeit misguided, plan for the world that just doesn't work. This isn't a view i have always held, I sat and listened to this guy on CSpan talk for about two hours a few weeks ago, and for me to comment further would be for me to just rehash what he said. And no i don't normally sit and watch C Span, but i was flipping around and caught these words...

"On the evening of September 11, 2001, I was one of a small group of State Department staffers called in to confer with Secretary of State Colin Powell..."

...and i was glued and watched the whole program, followed by a half hour or so Q & A with a bunch of nerdy think tankers. It was fascinating. Anyway, i don't feel like typing out a bunch of nonsense tonight on the subject, maybe tomorrow.

Sooo, back on topic, that professor is flipping lunatic. I can't think of anyone, aside from Sono maybe, who would argue Hitler v. Bush on the same plane. Bush is pretty fucked up, but Hitler was like....i dunno, can't even put into words, REEEEALLY fked up.

(sorry for the completely random sounding no information backing post)

**Santa** · October 12, 2006, 12:21:32 AM

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At least, Bush government can be compared to Hitler's one. It's using the same technics. Goebbels said that a repeated lie will finally be accepted by the whole population as a true thing.
I'm referring here to the weapons of mass destruction supposed to be in the hands of Saddam Hussein, and the link between Saddam and Al Qua?da, making Saddam responsible for 9/11.

**toasty** · October 12, 2006, 12:34:39 AM

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Originally posted by Jenks

Hitler was not an idiot, in fact, he was very intelligent and charismatic. Fucked up ideas- yes, idiot- no. On the same line, i do not think that Bush is an idiot, nor do i think his administration = a bunch of fumbing fuckwits.

Similarly, I don't want to come off sounding like I think there's anything positive to say about Hitler, but to be able to convince so many people that something so obviously wrong as genocide was a perfectly good idea, he clearly had to be doing something that others found appealing, and was a step ahead of those who were following him.

As for Bush and his buddies, I don't think the adminstration as a whole is comprised of idiots -- to the contrary, I think they are very smart, calculating, and do most everything with purpose (at least politically). Bush personally, though, I do think is an idiot. I think he's just along for the ride, and I think he's way in over his head. Sad but true, IMO...

**KinKyJ** · October 12, 2006, 08:18:15 AM

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Originally posted by toasty

As for Bush and his buddies, I don't think the adminstration as a whole is comprised of idiots -- to the contrary, I think they are very smart, calculating, and do most everything with purpose (at least politically). Bush personally, though, I do think is an idiot. I think he's just along for the ride, and I think he's way in over his head. Sad but true, IMO...

Second that. I wonder if and when the truth is going to come out. Anyway, the damage is done, let's hope everybody (so no only US voters, but also the players on the international political field) will have learnt a lesson from all of this.

On topic: I wouldn't go so far as comparing Bush (administration) to Hitler, but I do think a great deal of their strategies have been inspired by Hitler and Goebbles.

**thesightless** · October 12, 2006, 09:06:15 AM

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i think bush got pulled into a downward spiral. think about it, when he was first elected, he was on a great path, and had the highest approval ratings EVER. the afghan conflict was understandable. then............................... through things like above, and way over zealous rumsfeld. well, we are we are. the only thing that happened over the last 6 years is that the middle east proved its a fucking toilet and a guy from texas could be worked by his staffers. its weird, as everyone gets on bush, and the more i read who is organizing the war effort... the more i hate donald rumsfeld, not bush. and to compare thier tactics to hitler is too much , i am sorry it is. they dont even come close, and they havent taken over any media and run state mandated ads.

**rubyraks** · October 12, 2006, 10:56:22 AM

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You know I get the whole it was Rumsfeld or it was Cheney blame game, but if I remember correctly, when Bush came in his claim was that he wanted to run the administration like he was a CEO (the decider) running a company, executive board and all...well when the underlings screw up time and time again, does the CEO not get fired? At some point, after continous screw-ups by those under him, you have to admit he's just a bad leader...after all he's the one deciding in their favor time and time again.

**thesightless** · October 12, 2006, 11:02:19 AM

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he has learned the hard way why our founders implemented the wonderful system of checks and balances for sure. sometimes good , sometimes bad.

**KinKyJ** · October 12, 2006, 11:11:53 AM

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Originally posted by rubyraks

You know I get the whole it was Rumsfeld or it was Cheney blame game, but if I remember correctly, when Bush came in his claim was that he wanted to run the administration like he was a CEO (the decider) running a company, executive board and all...well when the underlings screw up time and time again, does the CEO not get fired? At some point, after continous screw-ups by those under him, you have to admit he's just a bad leader...after all he's the one deciding in their favor time and time again.

some get tossed for a blowjob, others can fuck around as much as they want. sex and politics: arbitrary as hell

**rubyraks** · October 12, 2006, 02:37:19 PM

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Originally posted by thesightless

he has learned the hard way why our founders implemented the wonderful system of checks and balances for sure. sometimes good , sometimes bad.

Checks and Balances? Where are they? The congress has passed everything he's asked them, pretty much exactly as he wanted it. He is the first president who didn't have his first veto until 6 years into his term (and there have been many other situations where both houses and the presidency were all the same party).

For fuck's sake, they tried to impeach a president for getting a blowjob in the oval office, yet a chronic liar who has led us into a bloody war unprepared continues to run amok.

You actually call that checks and balances? The only instance that had an air of checks and balances was this recent torture issue and what did they decide in the end, they let Bush redefine it as he likes and they'll pass it..."we just want it in writing" isn't much of a check.

So where do you see checks & balances at work?

**Lorn** · October 12, 2006, 02:47:47 PM

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Not seeing it much. The whole system has been corrupted by people making politics a career.

**thesightless** · October 12, 2006, 02:49:41 PM

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Originally posted by rubyraks

So where do you see checks & balances at work?

have you seen them scrambling for this election? lmao, and everytime they try to make the dems look bad, they realize they are only furthering their ouster. the house is gonna change quickly, and frankly he wont accomplish anything afterwards.

we need a few more parties.

**Jenks** · October 12, 2006, 03:01:23 PM

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This thread is kinda going off track, but since it is, i'll continue the direction:

As bad as this administration is, a bigger question is what are the Democrats doing about it? Answer: failing miserably. This election shouldn't even be contested ffs, but the fact that the Democrats ARE a bunch of fumbling fuckwits just further compounds the problem with this country. The Dems have zero to be proud of. They have not successfully countered any of the failing policies of the Bush administration with new ideas. The only victories they can claim are the failures of the republican party- hardly anything to be victorious about.

**thesightless** · October 12, 2006, 03:03:33 PM

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when i think of the post BClinton democrats i think of curly from the 3 stooges doing his running in circles on the floor skit.

next election will be catheder or enema, you're gonna dislike both options, but gonna get stuck with one.

**rubyraks** · October 12, 2006, 03:05:49 PM

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Originally posted by thesightless

have you seen them scrambling for this election? lmao, and everytime they try to make the dems look bad, they realize they are only furthering their ouster. the house is gonna change quickly, and frankly he wont accomplish anything afterwards.

we need a few more parties.

Just because the Repubs have screwed up in so many new and creative ways, doesn't mean that the electorate will vote them out next month. Seriously, the Dems are so feeble that a bunch of monkeys could beat em.

And hell yeah on more parties. These two parties suck big time and are so entrenched that they've become useless to the people they're supposed to represent (and why the hell congress has a 98% retention rate is beyond me!). The biggest benefit to multiple parties though would be that we, as a country, could move away from this atmosphere of partisanship politics, the us vs. them mentality, and start to recognize that people's opinion's come in way more than just two flavors.

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