Dutch Tolerance and European Perspective

[RiseandShine]

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Isn't that something you guys have for years now in fine hot spots like LA south central? It has nothing to do with race or religion, it's just poverty and gang wars.

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also please read above posts

[thesightless]

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OK, you keep bringning up the rodney king riots. look em up. it happened when two white cops beat the shit out of a black guy after pulling him over and they got off... the blacks rioted. it wasnt poverty or anything, it was more about white cop on video beating a man to within an inch of his life and walking away.

the french riots resulted from two cops chasing a suspect, that suspect hopping a fence and dieing from a shock from a breaker, then the muslim population in the lower income area going apeshit and thier imams calling for more and saying that french law did not apply as the areas were heavyily muslim populated. those cops didnt do much wrong outside of thier job.

to compare them the blacks in LA would have had to have said that white cops have no authority b/c south central LA is predominently black. also., the LA riots werent targeting anything in partiucular as they could have simply went to the hills and wrecked shit they were rioting on their own turf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King#Verdict.2C_LA_riots.2C_and_aftermath

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[KinKyJ]

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Sean, the fucker who got electrocuted was somewhere last year or before that. Where did you read anything about the imams calling for violence? Tbh, we've had riots in Belgium because some Moroccan fucker with a heavy criminal record died in prison after the doc shot him up with two doses of tranquilizers. Guess who were behind the riots in Brussels? Yup, his gang buddies. The muslim community in the neighbourhood strongly disaproved of the violence.

And btw, I wasn't refering to Rodney Whateva, just to the fact that there are certain areas in SS where cops don't even dare to show their faces because of gangs...

[KinKyJ]

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Dutch tolerance? White Power, cuz what's white has to stay white: http://www.youtube.com/v/RInrf1zd_h0

[RiseandShine]

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ok, i don't have an extensive knowledge of all the riots that happened here or elsewhere - the point that i was trying to make is that I think it is more a question of power and dominance than actual religion. in certain areas, it's more a question of having gangs rule what's going on than the police or the government.
The media here in the US depicted the events in Paris like being only religiously driven; this is where I disagree.
I could also point to the fact that here in DC, the mail doesn't get delivered in certain area and police patrols avoid certain part of South East DC because it's just too fucked up.
i'm not trying to compare, I'm just saying that resistance to power, agressivity and search for dominance exists everywhere.

[Yao]

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Dutch tolerance? White Power, cuz what's white has to stay white: http://www.youtube.com/v/RInrf1zd_h0

Moehahahahahahahahaaaa!!! That is so funny and so very wrong, and then with the AVRO logo in it, the last BC to broadcast this shit eva


All that pointing to 'religious' violence is simply meant to scare the shit out of retared Americans that just eat anything the Bush admin feeds them and of course...fear is control. Large part of the youngsters is not even really religious, they call themselves Muslims but it's more of a flight into some kind of identity, an excuse to riot. The real problem is lack of integration, education and a high poverty level.

[rubyraks]

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Are you suggesting that the "lack of integration, education" may not be a result of religious differences? The immigrants are resistant to integration and western education. They tend to insolate themselves to their own culture and (religious) educational systems.

[RiseandShine]

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interesting point but I think that you're pulling the religious over the cultural.
I think the cultural has more importance than religious in these situation.
you will then be able to argue that in some interpretation of Islam, everything has to be linked to religion - I will then answer that these molotov tossing kids have no idea about Islam interpretation and, as it was said before, they would probably religion as a excuse.

[rubyraks]

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I'm using religion and culture interchangably here because much of their culture is defined by their religion. What I'm suggesting is not that they truly are religious people and are rioting because of the religion. I'm suggesting the reason that they find themselves in such dire circumstances and on the outskirts of society is because they isolate themselves within their religion/culture and make little if any attempt to integrate and educate themselves in a similar fashion to those in the society at large.

[RiseandShine]

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I would like to agree with you; indeed, people from many different cultures, religions and ethnical background have immigrated to France succesfully throughout history. But there has been problem before and I believe the governement just dealt with using force or deported people - I think that in the case of France it is also due to integration laws and government action that is partly at fault.
now, down the line, both reasons are linked

[Yao]

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I agree with the fact that these groups isolate themselves, but as usual this problem is not a unidirectional issue: isolation is partly due to the the group isolating themselves, but also to mechanisms within the host society marginalizing that group: in this case the lack of integration, education and as a result job opportunities / wealth / status. Throwing this on a simple 'they just don't do enough themselves' isn't completely fair since bureaucracy is a powerful weapon in controlling groups in society.

As for religion: it's a part of a culture, it may influence most of it but in the end it's a part of a culture, no matter how much people hammer on the magic word 'religion'. Islam iself is based on the Arabian culture in particular, and later influenced it itself as well, but it's nothing too new to the ME. That is why I'm not letting myself be dragged with the stream of people chanting 'religion is the cause of this all'. Not to mention that most of the culprits only use the cover of religion to justify their despicable acts.

[thesightless]

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not europe, but the aussie's


soooooo.... now women are to blame for rape. and should stay in thier room in their house in hijab?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6086374.stm

[Yao]

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It's one of those supposedly fundamental fruitcakes again. Put that guy in ignore more...

[rubyraks]

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not europe, but the aussie's


soooooo.... now women are to blame for rape. and should stay in thier room in their house in hijab?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6086374.stm

Sounds just like every rape suspect's defense lawyer...pathetic.

[Yao]

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Man, how hard is it to hld your dick in yer pantz...even i could do it while sleeping more than once with a gorgeous woman who just wasn't ready for it. A real man can control himself, nothing, literally nothing can justify rape.