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  • peloquin
    Till I Come!
    • Jun 2004
    • 8643

    *some* catholics are at it again

    Wheat-allergic girl denied Communion

    BRIELLE, New Jersey (AP) -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a digestive disorder and cannot eat wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained no wheat, violating Roman Catholic doctrine.

    Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

    "It's just not a viable option. How does it corrupt the tradition of the Last Supper? It's just rice versus wheat," said Elizabeth Pelly-Waldman.

    Church doctrine holds that Communion wafers, like the bread served at the Last Supper, must have at least some unleavened wheat. Church leaders are reluctant to change anything about the sacrament.

    "This is not an issue to be determined at the diocesan or parish level, but has already been decided for the Roman Catholic Church throughout the world by Vatican authority," Trenton Bishop John M. Smith said in a statement last week.

    Haley was diagnosed with celiac sprue disease when she was 5. The disorder occurs in people with a genetic intolerance of gluten, a food protein contained in wheat and other grains.

    When consumed by celiac sufferers, gluten damages the lining of the small intestine, blocking nutrient absorption and leading to vitamin deficiencies, bone-thinning and sometimes gastrointestinal cancer.

    The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

    Haley's Communion controversy isn't the first. In 2001, the family of a 5-year-old Massachusetts girl with the disease left the Catholic church after being denied permission to use a rice wafer.

    Some Catholic churches allow no-gluten hosts, while others do not, said Elaine Monarch, executive director of the Celiac Disease Foundation, a California-based support group for sufferers.

    "It is an undue hardship on a person who wants to practice their religion and needs to compromise their health to do so," Monarch said.

    The church has similar rules for Communion wine. For alcoholics, the church allows a substitute for wine under some circumstances, however the drink must still be fermented from grapes and contain some alcohol. Grape juice is not a valid substitute.

    Haley, a shy, brown-haired tomboy who loves surfing and hates wearing dresses, realizes the consequences of taking a wheat wafer.

    "I'm on a gluten-free diet because I can't have wheat. I could die," she said last week.

    Last year, as the third grader approached Holy Communion age in this Jersey Shore town, her mother told officials at St. Denis Catholic Church in Manasquan that the girl could not have the standard host.

    After the church's pastor refused to allow a substitute, a priest at a nearby parish volunteered to offer one, and in May, Haley wore a white Communion dress, and received the sacrament alongside her mother, who had not taken Communion since she herself was diagnosed with the disease.

    Last month, the diocese told the priest that the church would not validate Haley's sacrament because of the substitute wafer.

    "I struggled with telling her that the sacrament did not happen," said Pelly-Waldman. "She lives in a world of rules. She says 'Mommy, do we want to break a rule? Are we breaking a rule?"'

    Pelly-Waldman is seeking help from the Pope and has written to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, challenging the church's policy.

    "This is a church rule, not God's will, and it can easily be adjusted to meet the needs of the people, while staying true to the traditions of our faith," Pelly-Waldman wrote in the letter.

    Pelly-Waldman -- who is still attending Mass every Sunday with her four children -- said she is not out to bash the church, just to change the policy that affects her daughter.

    "I'm hopeful. Do I think it will be a long road to change? Yes. But I'm raising an awareness and I'm taking it one step at a time," she said.

  • tiddles
    Encryption, Jr.
    • Jun 2004
    • 6861

    #2
    shock:x:P:cry::wink:

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    • FM
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      • Jun 2004
      • 5361

      #3
      reason #452 why I hate religion sometimes....
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      • Morgan
        Platinum Poster
        • Jun 2004
        • 2234

        #4
        Re:: catholics are at it again

        Religion sucks.
        As do pop ups.
        "Pain is only weakness leaving the body."

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        • Neo
          Gold Gabber
          • Jun 2004
          • 663

          #5
          I was baptised catholic was 2 months to be confirmed and I told my mother I'm not going to go through with it. I don't believe in what they are preaching and they are a bunch of hipocrits. She was fine by that and it still proves to be one of my best choices. Look at all the child molestations. Catholics priests should be able to marry and have sex. All that cum on the brain makes you schizophrenic

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          • hear_my_name
            Getting Somewhere
            • Jul 2004
            • 139

            #6
            Originally posted by tiddles
            hahha what does that have to do with ne thing..

            other than tha.. i believe the church has no right to deny her of what she believes and if she wants to be part of the church then let her.. im sure god wouldnt care if she had one without wheat.. they are just hypcrites and stupid.. rules are not what makes the church its what the ppl believe..

            im not catholic.. but fuck.. this is obsurd!
            Any day above ground... Is A Good Day!

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            • xeb
              Addiction started
              • Jun 2004
              • 364

              #7
              Re: catholics are at it again

              Originally posted by peloquin
              "It is an undue hardship on a person who wants to practice their religion and needs to compromise their health to do so," Monarch said.
              see, now that would make me think perhaps i'm looking at the wrong religion........
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              • factorg
                Addiction started
                • Jun 2004
                • 265

                #8
                what a crock of shit. but then again i've always found this religion to be a crock of shit
                "..truth has a habit of marching on.."

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                • MusicJatt
                  Platinum Poster
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 1371

                  #9
                  Re:: catholics are at it again

                  my kid brother is staring high school at a Catholic school this sept ... i cant wait to make him read this ... i took him to get his books and etc. and i got one of the most erie feelings i have ever gotten ... everyone was being really nice but i didnt feel it was genuine ... rather that i was being tricked into something or something isnt right ... amen ??

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                  • fumanchu182
                    Angantyr The Ruthless
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 962

                    #10
                    This is why I gave up on Catholicism. Bread is fucking bread... Do you think the actual bread means a fucking thing? NO! Instead it is the ideology and your mental being that are in question when you perform a ritual/act/rite. Your heart and your emotions of the event are what the almighty/god/supreme being see.

                    Religion is good and all but there are too many corrupt religions, and catholicism is #1 on my list as of right now, followed by the extremist militiant muslims.

                    Plus priests suck, I go to Seton Hall, I see all those cock smoking faggots when they go on their cigarette breaks on the green and stare at the young freshman bitches.
                    The sailors of the United States Navy are among the most disciplined, devoted, and well-trained fighting men the world has ever known. They drink gasoline and piss fire, The spit bullets and shit bombs, and will swim across the ocean with a knife in their teeth just for the chance to carve up those that threaten their homeland.

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                    • razors edge
                      Getting Somewhere
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 156

                      #11
                      Re:: catholics are at it again

                      Burn Burn Burn....

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                      • Trancelucent One
                        Addiction started
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 295

                        #12
                        This is a ridiculous story yet not surprsing at all. Look at all the corrup priests, yet this poor girl has been questioned because of a fuckin wafer? It's absolutely ridiculous!
                        ~Pam

                        I like it dark and dirty!!!

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                        • Civic_Zen
                          Platinum Poster
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 1116

                          #13
                          I apoliogize in advance to any Catholics on the board, but the Catholcis are just the worst. Right up there with the Mormons, Amish, and muslims.

                          What else would you expect from a faith that's represented by a semi-catatonic old weirdo who tells people how to vote? And then there is plenary indulgence. How can a religion honestly give you the right to commit a sin, its like a get out of hell free card. And speaking of weird Catholic stuff., how about the whole Papal Infallibility thing? Supposedly, the Pope can change the rules on earth and God will make it official no matter what. Do these people not realize how ignorant they appear??
                          "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus (55-117 A.D.)
                          "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
                          - Thomas Jefferson

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                          • asdf_admin
                            i use to be important
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 12798

                            #14
                            Love Jesus and He will Love you.

                            I am Roman Catholic and FUCKING PROUD of it. Something you dills need to learn. Life is not perfect, and just because your heart is to God and your ass to the Marines does not make you any better. There always has been some evil person that takes Holy Power and abuses it. As far as I see, my Priest would change or do something different in girl's case. There is also a huge difference between American Roman Catholic and European Roman Catholic. The structure and system are two different things. So all you God bashers, see you in Hell. And stop judging a beautiful thing in life ... a spiritual thing that kept me on this planet and not underneath the dirt.

                            You all should show a little respect.
                            dead, yet alive.

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                            • peloquin
                              Till I Come!
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 8643

                              #15
                              i didnt mean to generalize the term catholic.. or start an anti-religion thread... i know there are plenty of differences and the whole shouldnt be badmouthed because of a few bad seeds. sorry asdf

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