*some* catholics are at it again

[asdf_admin]

Pelo! Tis Okay.

It's a terrible story and sad. But it's not every House of God you would see that non-sensical shit.

... that's what set me off. It was all you peops took that one instance and generalized it for all. That really hurt.

[peloquin]

yeah, i used the same title as the link where i originally found the article, that was stupid.

[asdf_admin]

It's Faith. Something that has enriched my life, not destroyed. And Frankly it has been a hard few years for Catholics and alike. It is something that makes me a better person, something I look up to, not down. For my heavy days, I have something to turn to and ask for help and assistance. Most of all, it is within me, and I believe in it.

One thing I do not do, is diss other people who do not believe or believe in something different. I think you have understand what faith means to a person, and to tear it down like that, it is the same as tearing down a person.

Most of you would not do that, but yet because of your convictions towards Catholicism, you do it. I just waned to let you (ALL) know that not all Catholics are hard core and out to destroy the non believers.

I love you all, no matter what you believe in or not.

[Civic_Zen]

I apologized before hand asdf, I don't have a problem with you. You are a great guy, I do have a problem with Cathalosism, especially plenary indulgence. I assume as a catholic, your aware of what that means. I don't mean to attack your way of life, its just my opinion.

They are saying one minute you will go to hell unless you confess your sins, this is something Catholic which makes sense. And then they give you this, which is basically a get out of Hell FREE card. Basically someone could invoke the Plenary right, and then go out and murder someone, and yet be OK in the eyes of god?? And then there is the Papal Infallibility thing. I understand if that is not part of the Catholic American thing, because that is a Roman Catholic tradition.

But this article shows what I'm talking about, Catholics are all about traditon, and refuse to make a simple very INSIGNIFICANT change to their Doctrine for this little girl who wishes to be apart of this. And yet the Pope can call on Infallibility to change any rule whether it was already written as a sin or not. Which is it?? Can you change it or not?? The fact that the Heirechy of the Catholic church has this much political nonsense inherant in every part of its tradition means very little it seems. There shouldn't be a heirechy, or any government like system at all if its about love, and god. Its evident to me that the Roman church is not about love or god, especially when it still holds the prime seat as to who gets elected. Mainly in Italy but all accross Europe. Seperation of church and state is a great thing, so of course the Catholic church has very little influence in America, its the European counterpart that I have a problem with.

Don't take it personal that I have a problem with the Catholic church, it should be evident when something like this comes up, why I have a problem. I've read about this sort of thing happening on more then 1 occasion. Seems so simple, and yet this mother has to escalate her issue with the Vatican?? This shouldn't be a political issue, it should just be done. When I see something like this, it amazes me that the Mother would still try to get heard. Why would someone want to be a part of a church that doesn't want to be a part of you.

The fact that Catholics believe they will go to Heaven where as Methodists, and other believers of different forms of Christianity will not is rediulous beyond belief. This is what the church tells them. And yet, she can't go through this rite of passage, but if she leaves the catholic church she will go to hell.?? So FUCKING rediculous. If anything, its some of the high up bishops and Monarchs that allow this to take place that WILL go to hell.

And lastly, if there is a hell. I can GUARENTEE that God will not send me there because I am a logical thinker. He wouldn't send me to such a place for thinking that the Catholic church is anything but wrong. It amazes me how many people don't get certain things about the bible that claim to have read it and understand it. JESUS SAID, point blank, that he didn't want church to become the exact thing which Cathalosism made it. He didn't want churches at all, and most of all any political structure behind it.

[ubiqe]

^^^Well said. The girl's case is just ridiculous and it's not the first stupidity I hear about the catholic church. That's what put me off it. It was always ONLY about the rites and NEVER about faith. It's the most stiff and intolerant religion you can imagine...

[asdf_admin]

let the bashing continue ... :?

[fumanchu182]

^^^Well said. The girl's case is just ridiculous and it's not the first stupidity I hear about the catholic church. That's what put me off it. It was always ONLY about the rites and NEVER about faith. It's the most stiff and intolerant religion you can imagine...

Rigid is right, I went to a roman catholic grammar school where they said mass in latin. It was horrible, the priests always looked drugged out and I swore Sister Consolata made a pact with the devil to live that long (wolf in sheeps clothing...).

Yeah in general I have no problem with catholics but I always felt wierd knowing I had to do an act to show my faith. Yeah I have met some really great people through my church at one point in time but I have lost contact with them or they have moved away.

[Civic_Zen]

let the bashing continue ... :?

I'm not bashing you at all though asdf, you are a great guy. Most Catholics I know will agree with me regading some of the Catholic beliefs, they will admit its faults and shortcomings, but that doesn't mean they can't continue to be Catholic. I didn't even know about Plenary Indulgence and what it meant until a Catholic friend explained it to me.

I certainly respect your belief in God, and you should by all means have it. But your belief in God isn't contingent upon what you think of the church itself. I think you can be pissed at some of the things your church does, like this incident right here, and still love and have faith in God?? Am I wrong?

[peloquin]

thread name changed... the original was misleading. catholics and religion do not deserve to get flamed for some people doing wrong. it would be like flaming all islam because of osama.

[triggerb]

Re:: *some* catholics are at it again

What a crock. Church attendance says it all.

When I was in school, I got beaten for not saying prayers in maths class. And to think the bitch that did it was only about 5ft. But she was ex-nun... well hard.

Religion class in my second last year of school was bizarre though. We had this teacher who was a radical political teacher. Our school motto was for God and for Country. He used to say, We all know about god, but let's talk about our country... to cut a long story short, the only thing we were taught was old rebel songs.. :?

[ubiqe]

let the bashing continue ... :?

asdf, I guess you're not visiting your home country too often... :? My first thought when I read the story was how bloody typical. I'm not bashing your religion but the church. Unfortunatelly this institution has less and less to do with the actual religion. The amount of stupidity, cruelty and intolerance that gets covered just because it's in the name of the church is terrifying. I'm 100 % sure if some stupid church official (and we've got a few of them, some of which are already local heros) started calling for another crusade masses would follow. We have to have the most intolerant society in the world here in Poland.

[galo]

i was brought up a catholic, but don't practice now. the thing about these sacred sacraments is that they where created in Rome four hundred years after jesus died by constinitine and his posse. The last super most probably did'nt take place like it is accepted now, the whole idea of communion or god eating is a pagan idea that goes back thousands of years pre christian, the whole catholic faith is a montage of different faiths that went before it, from the virgin birth to the emtomment for three days to the resurection, all these stories and more are just lifted from other faiths, not really the work or will of god if you ask me.

[factorg]

Love Jesus and He will Love you.

I am Roman Catholic and FUCKING PROUD of it. Something you dills need to learn. Life is not perfect, and just because your heart is to God and your ass to the Marines does not make you any better. There always has been some evil person that takes Holy Power and abuses it. As far as I see, my Priest would change or do something different in girl's case. There is also a huge difference between American Roman Catholic and European Roman Catholic. The structure and system are two different things. So all you God bashers, see you in Hell. And stop judging a beautiful thing in life ... a spiritual thing that kept me on this planet and not underneath the dirt.

You all should show a little respect.

First up nobody bashed God in this thread and nor was anyone bashing you.

As I said in another thread I have no problem with people who find peace/hope/direction/whatever through their chosen religion and I will respect their choice.

However, I personally have no respect for the Roman Catholic church and it's ruling body the vatican. The history behind it is nothing short of fucked up, filled with mis-truths and mis-directions.

[asdf_admin]

I am a lover not a hater. So hate on people, ... hate on ... and more power to you.

O, one more thing, Religion is perfect, it's the people who belief in it that make not perfect.

[peloquin]

what have i done