The rich keep getting richer

[Troklo]

Re: The rich keep getting richer

they should have taken advantage of education. they can always go back and learn something. sorry, i have no pity for the labor feilds. if by now you dont realize that a college education is required in this world to make a decent check, then you frankly dont deserve one.

Thats true, the problem is not everybody has a chance to get in to college.
Like I said before if you have a education you should get better paid, I just think the difference of wages shouldn´t be so big.

[thesightless]

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and that is why we all have opinions. personally i cannot find a reason to critique it. if you are responsible for the whole sha-bang, then you should be compensated. there is also things like goodwill valuation in salaries whereas they take into the effect of ''if you werent there'' and what would happen to the direction of the company. i.e. they factor in future effects of one's ideas on direction.

[rubyraks]

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they should have taken advantage of education. they can always go back and learn something. sorry, i have no pity for the labor feilds. if by now you dont realize that a college education is required in this world to make a decent check, then you frankly dont deserve one.

Do you really see the issue in such simple terms? Does it not cross your mind that the educational opportunities that either you or I had are not available to everyone? I know the price I had to pay to afford college (without my parents help), let alone law school, is not necessarily an option to many others. I also know that my parents having put me in private school from a young age (albeit a horrible religious one) had helped me get into college in and of itself. Do you not see that education is used as a barrier to the system and a way for the privileged to maintain their privileged status?

No one's saying that the labor deserves the CEO's salary in any respect, but at least the fair wages they deserve so that perhaps their children could afford to go to college and so they don't have to live off welfare/food stamps themselves. To argue that it is fair to pay labor below livable wages just because they didn't go to college is kinda ridiculous, imo.

[thesightless]

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not when i have clients who grew up in the worst areas of harlem and the bronx to lack luster parents, realized where they were, and fought their way out by studying hard and going to community college to prove themselves worthy of a sholarship to better schools. no. like i say, there are better role models for low income children than britney and jay z. it really does come down to what the individual wants, and most of the time, they dont want it. listen, come down to my sisters place on saturday and ask her, she teaches in kew gardens and will give you a fair picture of what goes on. they try they really do, but when you cant get the kids to stop hanging out and get some homework done, well..... you can only do so much for another person.

hey, you know damn well im not acting the wiseass here. its deeper than we want to think, but desire is the first and biggest factor.

[thesightless]

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the food stamp collectors are the people who sit home as opposed to getting a second job. buying clothes instead of baby formula... i see it all the time when a single mom comes in and asks what she needs to do b/c dad took off.

dont address the CEO's, address the low income people and why they are there. i know a few people who are on the path to life long waitering jobs becuase they simply dont try and they grew up in wealthy areas out here. desire. you me and everyone else around here wanted a job and got it.

[rubyraks]

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I address both the greedy CEOs and the lazy poor people, where the blame lies entirely within themselves. The CEOs are unconscionable, greedy and only give a damn about themselves, without a second thought about how those enriching them through their own production are living. The lazy poor people only have themselves and their laziness to blame.

It's those people who aren't lazy workers, but are still poor that I'm concerned with and getting a second job doesn't always cut it. Are you actually saying that you've never met anyone who wasn't lazy, but still poor?

[Localizer]

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Maybe you can fill me in with facts to show me "most CEO's don't have anything more than a bachelor" and that manipulation is the key word in business, more than strategic management, market knowledge, enterprise resource planning and what not.

And btw, if you're that certain that businesses and CEO's exploit, you should move to Cuba or North Korea.

-Don't put words in my mouth that I haven't said.

Original Quote.
"Most of the CEO's probably have nothing more than a bachelor's."

As for CEO's exploiting...
I can always bring up Enron? Maybe Airbus? UnitedHealth? MassMutual? KLA-TenCor?

And how does me saying that businesses exploit make me a communist? I guess the phrase "fair and ethical business practices" has never crossed your mind?

http://www.cornellsun.com/node/19167

I agree that CEO's should get payed the most, but they get paid more than enough. They exploit employees and the public.

Edit: http://www.census.gov/csd/sbo/cbosummaryoffindings.htm

Most have a bachelor's with only a few having a masters. Most people start their company small after they get a bachelors and then get a masters later.

[rubyraks]

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Edit: http://www.census.gov/csd/sbo/cbosummaryoffindings.htm

Most have a bachelor's with only a few having a masters. Most people start their company small after they get a bachelors and then get a masters later.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but this survey does nothing to further your point. It doesn't even refer to CEOs, who oftentimes do not own the business (unless we're talking about each and every shareholder). From my understanding, this survey would cover many who own retail and wholesale businesses, even pushcarts. In that case, I'm not as surprised at the statistics about their education.

[Localizer]

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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but this survey does nothing to further your point. It doesn't even refer to CEOs, who oftentimes do not own the business (unless we're talking about each and every shareholder). From my understanding, this survey would cover many who own retail and wholesale businesses, even pushcarts. In that case, I'm not as surprised at the statistics about their education.

This was to show an idea that those who are running, not just owning businesses, most likely have a bachelors. It's the closeststatistical data I could get.

[rubyraks]

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yeah, but it's only looking at the top 5 interest owners of the businesses surveyed...so it isn't necessarily looking at those running the business.

[FM]

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some of you need to read this: (even uploaded it)

Daniel Pena - Your First 100 Million

as much as it sucks, or so it seems, when you get to this point of the "top" it's ruthless, dire, and everything that needs to be done to stay up there, even at the cost of the regular workers...otherwise you get chewed up and spit out alive.

Sean said it best though...it comes down to desire and want. Even I used to lament the fact that I'm not up there and others are...but now I've taken that and turned it into a burning desire to make the money and get up to that range...not to be a CEO per say, but to make that type of money and be able to live the life I want to...not scrape by like some of these idiots do.

By the same token, this country (US) offers that chance to do so...not get capped out, or only be able to make so much and just eke out a living, only if you question or protest the fact you could get killed. It's out there, here, if you want it.