cnn.

[Lorn]

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^Sounds like censorship to me.

[KinKyJ]

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Plus, ABC got into trouble showing a U.S. helicopter killing Iraqis when the war first started.

that's because they wanted you to believe that there's actually a thing as a clean war

[Lorn]

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that's because they wanted you to believe that there's actually a thing as a clean war

Yea. If they would stop treating us like morons maybe we would stop acting like morons.

[KinKyJ]

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^^^ wishful thinking imo

[Lorn]

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^^^ wishful thinking imo

Morons usually equal wishful thinking.

[superdave]

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Decency and quality news reporting would be nice. I didn't know CNN was now the execution channel.

[KinKyJ]

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Decency and quality news reporting would be nice. I didn't know CNN was now the execution channel.

Ow please dave, CNN has played the Bush fiddle during the Gulf War, 9/11 and the invasion in Iraq. Hell, they even made a show out of that shit. Now all of a sudden they don't stand for decency and quality news reporting? Let me let you in on a little secret: few channels in the US provide quality news reporting in the first place. Just look at how Monicagate was covered... erm... blown up in the media.

If you want quality news reporting, watch CNN, BBC, some other European channels and read a few newspapers. Compare them all and you get at least a clue of what's going on in the world.

[superdave]

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Ow please dave, CNN has played the Bush fiddle during the Gulf War, 9/11 and the invasion in Iraq. Hell, they even made a show out of that shit. Now all of a sudden they don't stand for decency and quality news reporting? Let me let you in on a little secret: few channels in the US provide quality news reporting in the first place. Just look at how Monicagate was covered... erm... blown up in the media.

If you want quality news reporting, watch CNN, BBC, some other European channels and read a few newspapers. Compare them all and you get at least a clue of what's going on in the world.

Puh-lease - BBC, Middle East, and European news lean towards the anti-Bush, hate America crowd. I've seen news reports over the years exposing the bias outside of the U.S.

And that CNN program Broken Government was enlightening or maybe just in time for mid-term elections.

Maybe you and Letterman can hang out together.

[KinKyJ]

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Puh-lease - BBC, Middle East, and European news lean towards the anti-Bush, hate America crowd. I've seen news reports over the years exposing the bias outside of the U.S.

Yet you fail to see the bullshit they feed you in your own country? Maybe you should wake up from your wet dream and smell the coffee. We might be Bush critics (can you blame us?), but we don't hate the US nor the Americans. Seems to me your reality check bounced friend... Just check the approval rates and tell me the rest of your countrymen think we're full of it when we say Bush is wrong.

-edit- Just saw Letterman in Yao's thread and I've gotta say that I don't take your remark as an insult at all. I guess you'd be renting a room with O'Reilly meanwhile?

[SUPREMEOPRESSOR]

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I think CNN sucks. They actually showed tape of a terrorist sniper killing an American soldier. What if that was your brother or son getting killed and CNN was broadcasting it? You'd obviously be outraged.

I think that censorship is bad. They should show soldiers, iraqis, terrorists, all dying on tv in high-definition. American news is under a huge amount of political control. The same people demanding blood from their soldiers should see this blood on tv. Id like to see terrorists chopping peoples heads off and more hearts and minds spattered across the pavement. They show us images of thousands dying during the 911 attacks, but when a suicide bomber kills a few dozen people on the street, they have some hot broad under a pund of makeup narrating it out for 30 seconds. Theres more censorship now than during vietnam. If they had some real blood on tv - latenight - im sure ratings would soar.

Forgive foreign news services if most of this good earth would rather see the president dead and pushing dasies. Unfortunately US forces have killed enough foreign journalists to turn them sour on the war. American cable news sucks, its all too often advertisements feigning that its news. I've been especially turned off from american news since the last mexican elections, virtual media blackout and nobody in this country seems to be aware fo what the hell happened.

[rubyraks]

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CNN has been shit for quite a long time now and this interview between the illusionist Lynne Cheney and dumbass Wolf Blitzer (I wish CNN would send him back to the trenches again, much better reporting than in a studio) is indicative of that. The overall US media (TV, radio and press) has been shit for a long time now.

The tactics used in telling stories is so biased that it isn't even funny. They tell a story as if they're being even-handed, but don't give you opposing views until they've already helped you form an opinion and even then they cut the opposing views short (not always quite as dramatically as O'Reilly or Hannity).

I read a ton of media, both from the US and outside and they all employ the same tactical writing styles that completely bias a reader. Here are a number of ways that the media bias in stories shows, but you need to pay particular attention to see it:

1. the placement of a story in either a newspaper or tv report...ie. the further buried the story, the less people read it.

2. burying particular parts of the story within the story itself. This is where you report let's say the effect of an action, ie. bombing, while reporting much much later in the story, after an opinion has been formed that bombing is bad, about the cause, ie. why bomb which may or may not justify the effect.

3. specific words, very often subjective adjectives, which is a judgement made by those doing the reporting...that is not reporting, it's punditry.

4. reporters making themselves the story...this encapsulates a great deal of the US media at present

And this is all aside from censorship, either self-censorship (issues against the interests of the media themselves, like corporate comglomerate ownership of the media...I'm thinking of Clear Channel and Murdoch here in the US) and state censorship.

I'm sure I could come up with many more, but the point is that in order to get a real accounting of what's going on in the world, you do need to read sources outside the US and by paying attention to these tactics, you may be able to actually get to the crux of many issues.

And I'm not even touching on the crappy sensationalized news that they love covering and how they run with it, ie. john mark karr, tom cruise, etc. etc.

As for the anti-US sentiment in the foreign press, I simply can't understand the ego of the many Americans. They essentially told Europe to go fuck themselves over Iraq (and so much more over the early years of Bush's isolationist administration) and then when they get bad press in return, they act all indignant as if it's undeserved. Sorry, that's just an expected cost of this adminstration's policies. If the US wants to continue to do things their way with no concern for foreign interests, then stop being surprised when the foreign press slams you.

P.S. I hear you on the lack of coverage of the Mexican election, but I'm one of the few that actually does know what happened there and it wasn't too far off from the US elections of 2000.

[thesightless]

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as to what ben just wrote...

notice that there hasnt been any media covering how well our economy is doing???
also note that NO ONE has covered the public works the UN and US are constructing in afhghanistan and iraq, they never tell us how the US funds half the governments in africa aznd the middle east through exrtremely large foreign aid.

michael moore syndrome all around....
nope, its just fashionable to coerce us into opinions, primarily due to the fact that the networks lobby like crazy to the US politicians..... (fox being hillary clintons second largest donor, and in the top 20 of democratic donations)

independence is gone, and agenda's are in..... its sick.

[thesightless]

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two things, one question

1. i just noticed that msnbc.com a usually hard line liberal company, has already taken down the headline about john kerry

2. to everyone who reads this, do you find cnn to be left or right leaning.....your own opinions.

[rubyraks]

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I'll try and take your points/questions one by one:

notice that there hasnt been any media covering how well our economy is doing???

Yes the economy's doing well, but the income inequality in this country just gets worse and worse. There's become a great difference between average salaries and whose salaries are actually boosting that average. One thing I learned very well in all my statistics courses is that you could always find statistics to support any point you want to make, you just need to know how to interpret them and twist them to fit your point.

This economy of ours used to be indicative of a growing middle class, but now it really only shows just how rich the rich are getting. The "Drip-Down" economic policies of this administration are completely clogged.

also note that NO ONE has covered the public works the UN and US are constructing in afhghanistan and iraq, they never tell us how the US funds half the governments in africa aznd the middle east through exrtremely large foreign aid.

I admit that the US does give a considerably higher share of foreign aid than many foreign countries (both nominally and as a % of GDP), but all too often it's the manner in which they give the money that is at issue. In Iraq, there are tons of military and rebuilding contractors that are making ridiculous amounts of profits. This results in a huge discrepancy between the amount the US is giving and the amount of rebuilding seen on the ground. Also, a good deal of US foreign aid given to Iraq and various other middle east countries goes towards oil production capabilities and security.

michael moore syndrome all around....
nope, its just fashionable to coerce us into opinions, primarily due to the fact that the networks lobby like crazy to the US politicians..... (fox being hillary clintons second largest donor, and in the top 20 of democratic donations)

independence is gone, and agenda's are in..... its sick.

There supposedly was an interesting article in the New Yorker recently (one I unfortunately haven't had the time to read yet), but as I understand it they were discussing whether Murdoch and his networks were planning a move to the more liberal side as the tide continues to turn.

two things, one question

1. i just noticed that msnbc.com a usually hard line liberal company, has already taken down the headline about john kerry

2. to everyone who reads this, do you find cnn to be left or right leaning.....your own opinions.

I never really found msnbc to be too liberal...they always seemed to ride the fence depending on where the tide was on a particular day.

As for CNN, I believe they were originally very hard left, but their stances and reporting were getting them nowhere in the ratings and they decided to take a shift towards the right on a number of issues.

But I also believe a lot of the shift in the media comes from a very aggressive administration that has made it clear time and time again that anyone who opposes or criticizes this administration will get no access whatsoever to them. This has forced many in the media to shift their stances and curtail their criticisms, hence giving the appearance of a shift to the right.

[Lorn]

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Good discussion today folks.

I think Ruby's take on the agressiveness of the current administration to be accurate. I believe all this bs we are suffering through will eventually come to ahead and a massive restructuring/shifting of priorities and viewpoints will happen. Just my opinion of course.