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  • rubyraks
    DUDERZ get a life!!!
    • Jun 2004
    • 5341

    Elections

    So my discussion topic of the day is what kind of political system do our non-US members' countries have:

    1. What kind of political system, democratic or other? direct election of candidates or voting by party? and how many parties?

    2. who pays for the campaigns/commercials/speaking engagements etc.? federally funded or public contributions?

    3. comments and critiques of your country's system

    oh yeah, and what country?

    To start things off, I'll elaborate on the US model of democracy, which is a 2 party system with direct election of candidates.

    All campaign activities are funded predominantly by public contribution. There are small amounts that are federally funded (partially from public funding collected with taxes) on an equal basis (presuming the party got at least 5% of the vote during the last election).

    The US approach polarizes the citizenry by only allowing (for all intense purposes) two political views into the mainstream. All other views tend to get pushed out by the combination of the parties (and their political wealth and capital), the system and the media. In all fairness, this country was created with differing viewpoints in mind and we've managed to kill that politically.

    Also campaign financing leaves too much power to the wealthier contributors, ie. corporations and their lobbyists. One congressman had said one of the major changes in terms of legislation over the past few decades is that in the past the lobbyists always had interests that they were pushing and they'd make "suggestions" to congressman, nowadays they're actually writing the legislation that's being passed, ie. bankruptcy bill passed a few years back was practically all handwritten by the banking industry and the results show.

    now yours...
    "Work like you don't need the money.
    Love like you've never been hurt.
    Dance like nobody's watching.
    Sing like nobody's listening.
    Live like it's Heaven on Earth."
  • asdf_asshat
    Fresh Peossy
    • Sep 2006
    • 25

    #2
    Re: Elections

    ,in bulgaria we push donkey down hill and vote conservative if he die. he died last time and me not like what happening today..

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    • KinKyJ
      Platinum Poser
      • Jun 2004
      • 13438

      #3
      Re: Elections

      Belgicum

      Federal parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy with direct election of candidates. As a result of the 1993 constitutional revision that furthered devolution into a federal state, there are now three levels of government (federal, regional, and linguistic community) with a complex division of responsibilities. Don't worry about this: even we don't understand what is what sometimes...

      Since we have a French speaking and a Dutch speaking community, we have nearly each party in two versions. So in other words, there are for example two socialist parties, both socialist, but they work independantly from each other.

      Parties in Belgium:
      - Liberals (that's not liberal in the US sense of the word)
      - Socialists
      - Christian-Democrats
      - Nationalists (extreme right)
      - Green party

      Election campaigns are funded by the parties themselves who get their funds from a dotation of the state. No private interference.

      My main critique is to be found in the first paragraph. Plus imo the federal government still has too many powers in comparisson to the regions. It's maybe a bit generalizing to say, but Flanders has a healthy economy while the Walony hasn't invested in innovation a lot, but holds on to obsolete production industry like steel mills.

      Other critique: since we always have coalitions (last term liberal/socialist/green, now liberal/socialist), Belgium is a country of compromises. Decisions are pretty hard to take and often promises and plans have to be weakened down a lot because of the influence of the coalition partner and/or the trade unions which have too much power here if you ask me (but hey, I'm a liberal so I don't like trade unions, hehe)

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      • rubyraks
        DUDERZ get a life!!!
        • Jun 2004
        • 5341

        #4
        Re: Elections

        so how is the liberal party different than American liberals, aside from being against labor unions?

        What do they stand for?
        "Work like you don't need the money.
        Love like you've never been hurt.
        Dance like nobody's watching.
        Sing like nobody's listening.
        Live like it's Heaven on Earth."

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        • KinKyJ
          Platinum Poser
          • Jun 2004
          • 13438

          #5
          Re: Elections

          ^^^
          Freedom of the individual
          Limitation of powers (state/religion/...)
          Free market economy and private initiative
          Empowerment and responsability (of the individual)
          Equal opportunity

          The way I understood it the American liberals are more leaning towards libertarians, no?

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          • thesightless
            Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
            • Jun 2004
            • 13567

            #6
            Re: Elections

            that explanation best desribes what the republican party was like before they got OWNED by bill clinton.

            american liberals want thier hands in everything, dont mind taxing to get it, and IMHO, over provide people in certain areas, and not enough in others, they fund evvery special interest group and usually , in regards to law making, make a law to allow a few people to do something that pisses others off, in non-governmental ways, more to citizen relations, they are also lax on crime and arent pro union, but pro union power.
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            • thesightless
              Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
              • Jun 2004
              • 13567

              #7
              Re: Elections

              now, this is the republican party
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              • Lorn
                Looking for a title!
                • Sep 2004
                • 5826

                #8
                Re: Elections

                ^Priceless.

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                • davetlv
                  Platinum Poster
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 1205

                  #9
                  Re: Elections

                  Wikipedia describes our system of government as follows:

                  Israel is a democratic republic with universal suffrage that operates under the parliamentary system.
                  In Israel we use a proportional representation system for electing the 120 members of the Knesset.

                  Whilst the same system has been in-place since the founding of the state we did tinker with it slightly a few years ago with the direct election of the Prime Minister, but after one election that was scrapped.

                  I lost count how many parties stood for election last time round, thats one of the problems with a PR system; but the threshold for being elected to the Knesset was 2%. 12 parties currently sit in the knesset.

                  Parties that sit in the knesset receive funding from the government, additionally parties can raise money through subscriptions and fundraising.

                  There are many things one can say about our system of government. In the plus column it could be argued that its the most democratic representation of one person one vote as every vote counts. On the negitive side, it creates at times unstable government. Running a government by coalition can be a dangerous thing as each parties wims have to be met to keep the coalition stable.

                  Israel also has a President, which is a ceremonial role, eleced by members of the knesset every 5 years. Our present President is a disgrace to the office he holds and should be kicked out - but thats just my opinion. Until now the President has been chosen from either the Labor or Likud (or their many previous incarnations).

                  Questions?

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                  • thesightless
                    Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13567

                    #10
                    Re: Elections

                    Originally posted by Lorn
                    ^Priceless.

                    i tend to wear great halloween costumes. the more offensive, the funnier.
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                    • KinKyJ
                      Platinum Poser
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 13438

                      #11
                      Re: Elections

                      Originally posted by thesightless
                      now, this is the republican party
                      cut down a bit on the guiness and work out more seaner, before you know it you've got a third chin

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                      • thesightless
                        Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 13567

                        #12
                        Re: Elections

                        yeah, i dont know why i have a double chin in every pic...... i lost about 20 pounds inthe last 3 months. and my friends tell me i always look fat in pics.
                        your life is an occasion, rise to it.

                        Join My Chant. new mix. april 09. dirty fuck house.
                        download that. deep shit listed there

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                        • rubyraks
                          DUDERZ get a life!!!
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 5341

                          #13
                          Re: Elections

                          Originally posted by davetlv
                          Israel also has a President, which is a ceremonial role, eleced by members of the knesset every 5 years. Our present President is a disgrace to the office he holds and should be kicked out - but thats just my opinion. Until now the President has been chosen from either the Labor or Likud (or their many previous incarnations).

                          Questions?
                          I'd ask questions if I had any, but I'm quite familiar with politics and government in your country

                          As for the president, I wouldn't say that's just your opinion...after the crap he pulled, they should've booted him already
                          "Work like you don't need the money.
                          Love like you've never been hurt.
                          Dance like nobody's watching.
                          Sing like nobody's listening.
                          Live like it's Heaven on Earth."

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                          • davetlv
                            Platinum Poster
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 1205

                            #14
                            Re: Elections

                            Originally posted by rubyraks

                            As for the president, I wouldn't say that's just your opinion...after the crap he pulled, they should've booted him already
                            Maybe, but there is a fishy smell to all this 'crap' - and no matter how hard i try i still find myself believing in the concept of innocent until proven guilty . . . . . . i guess we'll have to wait for the court case(s)!!!!!

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                            • rubyraks
                              DUDERZ get a life!!!
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 5341

                              #15
                              Re: Elections

                              Originally posted by davetlv
                              Maybe, but there is a fishy smell to all this 'crap' - and no matter how hard i try i still find myself believing in the concept of innocent until proven guilty . . . . . . i guess we'll have to wait for the court case(s)!!!!!
                              is that so? I was under the impression that the matter had hit the point of an open and shut case, but perhaps I heard wrong...
                              "Work like you don't need the money.
                              Love like you've never been hurt.
                              Dance like nobody's watching.
                              Sing like nobody's listening.
                              Live like it's Heaven on Earth."

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