Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

**rubyraks** · November 3, 2006, 02:33:03 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

That takes some balls! And the sad thing is, that'll work with his base and those dumbass 39% of Americans who STILL think he's doing an acceptable job. Pathetic!

**thesightless** · November 3, 2006, 02:49:27 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

oh they had a plan, but it was a plan by donald rumsfeld, which is the equivelent of me planning to operate on steven hawkings spinal cord .......

the only thing about this waste of a war on behalf of a waste of humanity that i stand behind is that running is the last fucking thing we should do. we caused the mess, we owe it to the future generation and the general concept of peace to stick it out until the government can operate without the fear of al sadr's buddies killing thier families.

**thesightless** · November 3, 2006, 02:50:44 PM

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but he is right, while he has a so called plan, they dont, they just want to run away fron it and let the iraqis deal with it, which plain and simple, is not fair. to anyone.

**rubyraks** · November 3, 2006, 03:14:18 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

Have you even been listening to most of the democrats? There are few (note: I'm not saying none) that have suggested we should cut and run, contrary to popular republican opinion that all of them have said that. Most have said we should come up with a timetable in the context of a plan to stabilize the area. No definitive dates, just some approach to actually getting somewhere over there, as opposed to this continous downward spiral of a clusterfuck and a will to maintain the status quo by the administration. So long as Bush and his cronies maintain this war is "for the long haul", they look at what's going on right now as merely a bump in the road.

Similar to in a work environment, some semblance of a deadline gets people to move quicker and be more effective (even when that deadline isn't "set in stone") and that wouldn't be a bad thing for this bumbling "corporate" administration.

**Lorn** · November 3, 2006, 03:18:57 PM

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He has a plan but he hasn't bothered sharing it with any of us citizens. Its scare tactics. Absolute rubbish. And in the meantime, the money being spent should be the real issue imo.

**rubyraks** · November 3, 2006, 03:21:19 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

You mean kinda like how he had a reason for invading Iraq in the first place, but never really shared it with us citizens?

**thesightless** · November 3, 2006, 03:28:14 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

he has a plan to exit, it securing the country, whatever that means............

but you cant kill everyone there, and there isnt a uniformed army killing civilians, its a closet group in society...

at least us americans can learn how to fight back if we are ever invaded. hide and kill our neighbors. blame the invaders.

**Lorn** · November 3, 2006, 03:29:17 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

Originally posted by rubyraks

You mean kinda like how he had a reason for invading Iraq in the first place, but never really shared it with us citizens?

Exactamundo.

**thesightless** · November 3, 2006, 03:34:03 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

we should have just nuked the region to the ground on sept 12 2001.

**toasty** · November 3, 2006, 03:46:40 PM

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Seriously -- at this point, what is our mission? If we're ever going to be able to claim victory, we need to know what our goal is. Right now, it seems like we're just hanging out.

We can't just pull out, but we're in an awful catch 22 situation.

**thesightless** · November 3, 2006, 03:56:45 PM

Re: Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

seriously? you wanna know?

i have talked to a few people, a. a NYPD det who is counter terror with the FBI and CIA., b. my brother james, current ARMY, c. my cousin keiran, an ARMY colonel in iraq right now.

where we stand, and be ready you wont like this.

we have to continue as we are, due in major part to the conventions, OR, we can get tough and break some law.
1. delcare martial law
2. curfew, strict and early,
3. begin house to house searches, for a variety of reasons. we need to find where the weapons are, where the explosives are. this can only be done by a lock down, house to hosue search. this will also yeild a monster amount of intelligence in regards to how al sadr's army is operating, obtaining info about gov and police employees
4. be ready to ''shoot to kill''. again, you cannot understate, in terms of military action, that the ones causing 50 deaths a day are not a uniformed army, but an organized group of civilians who seem to have access to iraqi governmental information.
5. once you know where the intellignce, weapons, and explosives came from, you need to cut off the supply.
6. keep them voting, encourage the economy, and get some public works.
7. geographically, we are able to restore the central swamplands that hussein destroyed in revenge. this will enable a return to agriculture and allow the people to earn a living and eat.

once you eliminate those who clearly do not want anything but chaos until we leave, in order to take control, you will see a decline in deaths, a slight return to normal living regarding the ability to walk the streets.

yet again, i will stress, that nearly every international treaty prohibits any offensive on civilians, and these groups, like al sadr's army, hamas and hezzbollah, know this too well and expose it. but these agreements need to be abandoned in the middle east, as thier armies, are nothing more than organized civilians who are registered with the UN as ''military''

**toasty** · November 3, 2006, 04:16:42 PM

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^^ well, that's a POA, but it still leaves the fundamental question of why we are there unanswered. What is it we're looking to accomplish?

Think back to when you were a kid and you played with your friends around the neighborhood. You and your friends decide to have a race, but because you're not on a track that has an obvious end point, you say something like, "OK, let's race from here to the second oak tree." You do that for obvious reasons -- if you didn't do that, you'd just keep running, because no one would know when they'd won.

We're in the same situation here. Its tough to know when we're ready to leave when no one knows what the end is supposed to look like. I'm afraid we're just running, with no idea which oak tree is the finish line.

**RiseandShine** · November 3, 2006, 04:18:03 PM

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^^^ Yes, this is being fascist, plus it is just extremely expensive

**Lorn** · November 3, 2006, 04:20:18 PM

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I think why we are there has already been accomplished....ie ousting Sadam. We are still there because we didn't estimate how effed up the place would become after Sadam was ousted. So it seems to the whole is a cover up job. imo.

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