Bush challenges Democrats to offer plan for Iraq

[thesightless]

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well, that's a POA, but it still leaves the fundamental question of why we are there unanswered. What is it we're looking to accomplish

we got step one and maybe 2 done, depends on where you stand regarding the baath party's former chemical munitions, which are currently in either syria or iran, and the few baath dissidents who attested to this were killed. the deposing of saddam is also done.

now, IMO, we need to get thier government in gear, and if we cant, then the world as a whole needs to step in and divide the country religiously and allow islam to destroy yet another possible nation where people hold the power.

there is a judgement that needs to be made once moqtada al sadr is dead or jailed, and that is based on the question we must pose to the people there.

"what do you want? freedom? then embrace it. religious leadership? then enjoy your countrymen being killed by whichever sect has the most power in the end.

there really isnt anything more we can do other than hire Doc emmet brown and go back in time and kill bush 1, clinton and bush 2. these 3 men are solely responsible for the heavy american involvement there.

[Lorn]

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plus it is just extremely expensive

Expensive as shite!

[rubyraks]

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"what do you want? freedom? then embrace it. religious leadership? then enjoy your countrymen being killed by whichever sect has the most power in the end.

Are you suggesting that should they choose religion over freedom, we should cut and run?

[Miroslav]

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Whether or not he fully admits it, the only "goal" by default that Bush has right now by staying there is the goal of nation-building.

That means that all Bush has to do is:

1. killing all the opposition(s) and create peace
2. build all of the infrastructure and get the economy to work
3. create all of the civic/governmental/institutional processes that lead to the democratically oriented outcomes he wants to see
4. change the Iraqi peoples' opinions, values, and cultural characteristics that they have cultivated over generations for thousands of years, so that they embrace his American-style democratic system now.



".......MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!....."

bwaaahahahahahahahaha.

[Yao]

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moehahahahahhah....'piece of cake man!!'.





Seriously...it's not going to happen unless the change comes from within. But seriously serious: the US is not going to walk away and give up control of the oil they've established now, or the strategic advantage that control of Iraq will give them in the region. It's too precious.

[Lorn]

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^^Good observation. Still its costing us a crap loud in terms of money and lives to keep that strategic advantage.

[Yao]

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Your industrial and political elite seem to think it's wortht the cost mate....

[Lorn]

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Your industrial and political elite seem to think it's wortht the cost mate....

No doubt.

[Miroslav]

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moehahahahahhah....'piece of cake man!!'.





Seriously...it's not going to happen unless the change comes from within. But seriously serious: the US is not going to walk away and give up control of the oil they've established now, or the strategic advantage that control of Iraq will give them in the region. It's too precious.

yeah, the nation building thing will definitely not happen. No nation at any point anywhere on the world has ever succeeded in militarily occupying another nation and recreating its entire culture, economy, and political process in a few short years. If Bush does seriously think that he can do it, he is WAY more arrogant and stupid than any of us ever even imagined.

[Yao]

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spot on. But he doesn't think he can do that, he just wants a govt there that he can control, and he has already set the conditions for his support to this clique in charge now. The moment they don't listen to him, he'll drop them and get himself another set of puppets to rule the country.

[Lorn]

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I mean come on...everyone know democratic freedoms are what everyone wants.

[Huggie Smiles]

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.......

the only thing about this waste of a war on behalf of a waste of humanity that i stand behind is that running is the last fucking thing we should do. we caused the mess, we owe it to the future generation and the general concept of peace to stick it out until the government can operate without the fear of al sadr's buddies killing thier families.

yep - I agree with that entirely (although should never have been there to begin with)

it doesnt look pretty does it.

It still freaks me out - that they can find 80 odd bodies in one 24 hour period around Bagdad - can you imagine the furore and hysteria that would happen if even 10 or 20 bodies were found in washington/New York/settle (wherever) . Its almost incomprehensible - to live in that kind of fear and expect everyday people to 'stand up' to the insurgents. What kind of life is that?

[Lorn]

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^A crapy life.

[Kobe]

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At the cost of 100 Americans a month and $200 Milllion per day, the only thing we owe is to ourselves, to put an end to this madness. The biggest problem is how to maintain some sort of foothold in the region in order to create a buffer between Iran and Syria/Lebanon, since we had to oust Saddam who was already doing that.

[Lorn]

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I guess we could invent a synthetic oil so we wouldn't need that part of the world. Just a thought.