So the IDF f@cked up again

[davetlv]

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thats one pissed off homo. good for him.

What the fuck makes you say that mate

[thesightless]

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hey im on your side. the one thign about the world and all the stupid politicing is that for stability and peace, you must get things uniform. you cant be negotiating with a militia when its government says it isnt responsible. if the people are committing these gross atrocities wont be controlled by their government, you have the right to defend yourself. every time you concede something, or cease fire, they have re-armed at every step of the way, and attack again. yet, as they are not the National Palestinan ARMY, the asshats think you have no right. fuck that.

[davetlv]

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Ok I was yanking your chain there a bit. . . but i'll take up your very valid comments.

What happens when its the supposed government who are commiting these gross atrocities which you talk about?

You know, i supported the withdrawal from gaza for i thought it would allow the Palestinians a chance to show the world that they are ready to live side by side with Israel in peace. . . . how fucking wrong was i!

[thesightless]

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while not violent at all , we have the same thing here with the mexican governemtn, and b4 i speak this, ill say im not for it at all. in now way, but the facts are we do indeed have a illegal immigration problem here, its bad. and everything we do to stop it, the mexican gov't has protested, even regarding deportingthem back, so essentially the gov't there doesnt want them.... but we have to do something if the govt wont.

[Miguel]

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And this sir is the politics sections. No one is forcing you to read it. You dont like my comments, have me on your ignore list, but i certainly wont be silenced so as not to offend your sensibilities.

And as for your comments of victimhood - GFYS, whats the matter dont you like it when the yids fight back? You attack me mate, you get attacked back ten fold. You dont wanna be attacked you dont wanna be attacked, well you know what not to do then.

Clear enough for you?

ur entitled to say whatever you want to say as i am too .... ur reaction is still so uncalled for .. just write ur opinion thats it therest save it for a rainy day a shove it

[davetlv]

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ur entitled to say whatever you want to say as i am too .... ur reaction is still so uncalled for .. just write ur opinion thats it therest save it for a rainy day a shove it

Bend over then mate and be prepared to take it, for i am sick and tired of ignorant runts here always attacking my country,its exsitence and our reaction to the scum that attack us on a daily basis.

If you dont like my opinions, or how i express them, or if you dont wanna read them use your ignore function, thats what its there for - i'm sure a mod will tell you how to use it if it aint clear.

[Localizer]

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ya but aren't they attacking you because you still possess land that was ordered to be given back to them? oh wait, it's ur land, no wait, it's their land, no wait, it's ur land, nope, their land.

[thesightless]

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they had it first and were forced out. historically speaking.

[davetlv]

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ya but aren't they attacking you because you still possess land that was ordered to be given back to them? oh wait, it's ur land, no wait, it's their land, no wait, it's ur land, nope, their land.

Intresting arguement. Who is they? What land are you talking about?

Because techinically speaking if its the west bank then it should be returned to Jordan, and if its Gaza it should be returned to Egypt the two previous occupying forces there. Prior to that it was the British manadate - should it be returned to them? Or how about the Ottoman Empire - should they have it?

And if i really want to follow that line, show me one occasion of the past two millenia where there has been an arab state in Palestine? A state with government, monarchy, infrastructure.

You wont because you cant, for the Palestinians are a modern creation, created under the British Mandate, which set a side a nation for them, on territory you know as Jordan, which is more than those migrant workers from the Arabian penninsula and Egypt were entitiled to.

[rubyraks]

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ya but aren't they attacking you because you still possess land that was ordered to be given back to them? oh wait, it's ur land, no wait, it's their land, no wait, it's ur land, nope, their land.

and while we're talking about land and who had what first, let's talk about one interesting historical fact that is never and I truly do mean is never spoken about. Within the last 50 years (after the jews had already suffered through the holocaust), every single middle eastern arabic country had purged all the jews from their mist. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and so on and so forth has kicked the jews out and very often officially sanctioned. Are they entitled to their homes, their land and their wealth that they were forced to leave behind?!

Where's the sense of equal treatment? Should the jews in Israel just attack these countries because they took their land? According to your logic, they'd actually have the right to.

Not that I'm suggesting any of this to actually happen, but at some point just as the jews need to come to terms and forgive the things that have historically happened to them in order to move on as a society and people, so to do the palestinians (while other arabs need to stop using jewish hatred as a unifying, and politically distractive, tactic)...otherwise, neither of us will ever be able to move forward.

[thesightless]

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the second half of ben's post pretty much sums up the thoughts i have and what i have expresssed directly to him. no matter what logical formula you apply to the situation, the arabs only have the current right to the land b/c they took it. if you say that, then when and if isreal decided to court all the jews and christians in the world, and take back the holy lands, then they would have the rights.

frankly, it isnt the persian or arabs lands, the jews are the ones who had them first and lost them in the violent expansion of islam from the persian empire expansion in the early half of the first century AD.

sadly, i want to see something happen that draws the christians into the conflict in the area. and im only speaking religiously here. we, the christians that is, have essentially been removed from jerusalem and bethlehem, the homes and most sacred sites from the formation of our religion. but alas, we havent spoken up because we are so widespread and the church was moved to rome...

[Miguel]

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as a reminder .. it is the most sacred place for all major religions

[thesightless]

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yes, but if you say the muslims have the right to run the land, you are simply wrong. the only reason they are in charge is because they took it by force.

i mean, if you uncover some vast worldwide historical conspiricy that shows otherwise, show me.

[Miguel]

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i didnt say witch has rights to the land .. personally i think no one and everyone has rights to it

[thesightless]

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which is essentially what 2/3 of the religions there say, but guess which one doesnt? and then look at thier actions.