Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?

[rubyraks]

Re: Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?

i think gw learned his lesson when hamas was elected democratically.

true dat...one hell of a blow to his democratic middle eastern vision or as many others like to say the US is supportive of democratic systems as long as the person they want elected is elected.

[Localizer]

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erm, democracy is a farce. It would never have worked if it hadn't produced so much wealth. This is a theological institution of government to have people elect politicians that they know nothing about. It's very easy for a politician to lie, and it's been proven over and over. However, the system is exploited, and many commonmen benefit from it, thus why it still exists. This, of course, would not have worked in Iraq where they run under a religious law as opposed to a state institutionalized law. But JeeDub didn't do his homework on the country and thus why we're clusterfuckered.

[thesightless]

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erm, democracy is a farce.

dont even. its the ONLY system where the people have a voice and the power to non violently remove thier leadership, AND, the implementations of term limits prevents abuse for the long run. do you think the ayatollahs would let the iranian people remove their athourity? me thinks not. do you see kim jong stepping down anytime soon?

it flaws itself when the people dont hold leadership accountable properly. if, 2 years ago, the ppl of the US on a large scale, put forth petition to abandon iraq, and overwhemingly suceeded, we would have had no choice. we screamed but didnt act. and if bush refesed, the people have the right to demand thier representatives remove him, legally.

[Localizer]

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dont even. its the ONLY system where the people have a voice and the power to non violently remove thier leadership, AND, the implementations of term limits prevents abuse for the long run. do you think the ayatollahs would let the iranian people remove their athourity? me thinks not. do you see kim jong stepping down anytime soon?

it flaws itself when the people dont hold leadership accountable properly. if, 2 years ago, the ppl of the US on a large scale, put forth petition to abandon iraq, and overwhemingly suceeded, we would have had no choice. we screamed but didnt act. and if bush refesed, the people have the right to demand thier representatives remove him, legally.

I'm sure the Romans thought that too.

Like I said, it succeeded because it produced wealth.

[Miroslav]

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There will be no democracy in the Middle East until the Arabs move out of the middle ages and drop their zealous love affair with their religion. It's hard to be democratic when you think that God has given you a mandate to beat and even kill your own women when they get too uppity and go out somewhere without their burkas on. You'll notice that places where democracies flourish are generally places where different views are tolerated. That's hardly the case in the Middle East.

And of course, by extrapolation, there will be no functioning democracy from Bush's efforts in Iraq. It's like trying to teach pigs to fly. And even if there could be a democracy in Iraq, functioning democracies don't come about from nations occupying and colonizing other nations and telling them "you will now have democracy, or else".

[JahRasta]

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Democracy is just what US wants to call it....in all reality....they just trying to set up a satellite nation....cuz of their access to OIL. Thats why they "care" so much. Had the same thing happened in middle of africa....or somwhere where there ISNT a natural resource to be exploited, they wouldnt give a rats ass about it. They NEED to set up a satellite nation so US can keep an eye on...and take on its NEXT opponent in the axis of EVIL.....IRAN! Iran HAS to be next....cuz the southern part of the entire Caspian Sea is in Iran, and the Caspian...has the LARGEST oil deposit in the World..Some few BILLION barrels of oil

[JahRasta]

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The only reason to set up Democracy is so they can corrupt it. US has NO interest in helping other people. Their only interest is SELF interest.

[Localizer]

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The only reason to set up Democracy is so they can corrupt it. US has NO interest in helping other people. Their only interest is SELF interest.

That's the nature of every human being, not just democracy.

[JahRasta]

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Yes...but thats what seperates us from the animals. We KNOW what is right and what is wrong, and we have the ability to rise above our nature to be greedy. It may be a harder road...but its a higher road.

[Miroslav]

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I do agree that we're not over there just out of our selfless desire to spread the joys of democracy all over the world. But actually, the spread of democracy is very much in the US's self interest (and most of Europe's, as well). Democracies tend to see more eye to eye and employ similar standards in their approaches to societal and economic issues. Sore thumbs like Chinese communists and Middle Eastern fundamentalists ruin the party. And when they mix with democracies, conflicts inevitably arise.

[speciale]

Re: Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?

one word answer.

no

I agree with sean here

[malayday]

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what a honk of shit...democracy?....i dont think it helps...i mean america the great democracy setting democratic precedents and it still dug a whole took a massive steaming dump in it and then started to lather itself up in its own shit..and its democratic people in the democratic counrty with democratic institutions couldnt do a democratic thing about it...
2 party choice...yeah you have a and you have b....go for it....what kind of democracy is that...and im sorry but democracy in these terms so proposed can only function when the ideals of a democracy can be appreciated...when there is no education and poverty riddled people just trying to feed themsleves and live...how can a two party system be of any worth....only so that capitalist stool can pass without any unecessary friction....
democracy...ha...ha...ha.....israel is a democracy?....ha...ha...ha....
i think the only effective democracy is one in switzerland...and switzerland and its people and standard of living and wealth is high...they have the basics covered...that why they can work on other democratic objectives...the basics need to be covered first..there needs to ba a playing field from which these people can benifet from democracy...other wise thier votes dont count for shit...so what kind of democracy can it be?

[Lorn]

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only so that capitalist stool can pass without any unecessary friction....

Now that made me laugh.

[JahRasta]

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Nicely put Malayday! NICELY put!

[JahRasta]

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Okay...so I could completely be off the deep end with this, but this is what I am starting to think. I think that democracy was created to take power away from god. Like a teenager, always fighting the power, rebelling against figures of authority. Democracy was born from mans need to fight the totalitarianisitc control of god and the church. Where every member, was inwardly rebelling, but outwardly a devout follower and a active "foot soldier" of god. Finding blasphemers or heretics in other people so what WE do behind closed doors doesnt get found out. After years and decades an centuries passed...we slowly revolted against GOD and Religion, by changing our beliefs, ceremonies, culture, and interpretation of "God's Will", to the point where the church and state are two seperate etities. Which, if I am not mistaken, is one of the key points of democracy. So NOW what we have is people saying...screw you God, I decide whats right for me.

Well..so I believe, and like I said before, I could be waaay off the deep end with this, and I am not saying that is a factoid about ALL the people, but it could be true for a LOT of people.