Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?

[thesightless]

Re: Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?

its amazing how the middle east seems OK with islamism in terms of country and government, but think zionism, which only wants a safe country, is out to turn the world into one big hasidic black hat.....

[rubyraks]

Re: Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?

I still think you're missing the distinction that sono has tried to make between the beliefs and policies of the politicians, dictators, kings and extremists, who are in actuality a minority of the population of these countries but through physical power control, and the unpublicized views of the majority of common people in arabic countries.

[thesightless]

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thats where i differ. i dont see the "majority" views standing up against the minority view. im waiting, been waiting for years now, and not only are they showing they are indifferent, but with the spreading violence emminating from every regional outskirt of the so called minority rule, they seem to encourage it. draw a big circle around the middle east influence, and the circle pretty much will give you a violent area.




notice the "sphere of influence" emminating from the middle east. all around the border...... mass death. when will they protest violence like they protest cartoons or the pope, or women's rights? the only places without violence on that cirlcle are water.

[rubyraks]

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It becomes difficult to protest when you will be arrested and imprisoned for life (if not put to death) immediately upon the gathering of 100 people together.

It becomes difficult to publish opposing views when the ruling class control the press and imprison all opposing views.

Take a look at Africa that is ruled by a similar strain of corruption, but where the influence isn't religious, but merely financial, quite unlike the middle east. Are the majorities able to make any stands or are they just caught in the crossfire?

[thesightless]

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which is why i have been stressing that my points arent based on religious hatred to muslims like sono keeps telling me, but to the people being a waste. they obviously dont want it. it isnt a priority for them. their priorities are having just a little more than thier neighboring sect. in africa, substitute "tribe" for sect. but african corruption where arabs dont have a hand is far far less violent in recent times.

[thesightless]

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the real problems come when one muslim group meets a non muslim, pro-equality group, i.e. somalia and sudan where they werent even allowed to watch thier teams in the world cup b/c the ICU has implemented taliban style rule wherever they go. should i mention the recently discovered taliban guidebook? nah, just read it for yourself, its on every major news site.

[rubyraks]

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No one here is disputing the "evil" of the ruling parties in the region or their use of hatred as a political tool. What we're trying to distinguish are the views of this ruling class and those of the common people, which are quite different, contrary to the press' perception.

[thesightless]

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ok, like i said, i wont believe until i see it. i can tell you GWB really is a pacifist who hates war, but actions speak louder than words, and silence is still the most deafening sound. you can tell me you are peaceful, but when you tell me it while throwing a punch, i cant beleive you. and if you are watching your friend throw a punch, and dont act, then you are nothing better.

[rubyraks]

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but the common people aren't the ones throwing the punches, it's the ruling classes and the extremists throwing em.

Tell me are the North Koreans all fuckin crazy merely because you don't hear any different views coming out of their country?

[thesightless]

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no, NK hasnt been at war since we were involved. and while we disagree with kim jong, he has been, disregarding the test, peaceful, and his people back him. if the people in the middle truly dont back thier vocal minority counterpoints.... where is the voice? if GW starts another war, with say, iran, you can be damn sure that the overwhelming majority of ppl here would be up in arms and vocal.

i cant state it enough, if the ppl in the middle east are truly against the violent actions of their leadership/and/or/.militias from sudan to pakistan, then why havent we heard? inaction is just as bad as support. they sit and watch people die every day. and innocents pay the price. why havent gazans stood against hamas?> same for hezz? hezz brought nothing but utter destruction upon that region, and isreal was actually restrained, and yet, they get "victory parades"

[rubyraks]

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First to compare the ability of our population to voice their opinions vs. the ability of those in other countries is quite unfair. We are a democratic free country and that is one of the things that makes us so great, but these other countries have entirely different systems in place. When we speak out, we don't fear for our lives, when they do their lives are more often than not threatened (either by the rulers or the extremists...your pick). HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Second, maybe you should take a look into what hamas and hezbolleh had done for their people. While I entirely disagree with their politics, they have often provided better infrastructure and lives for the people they represent than their corrupt governments.

[thesightless]

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again, it boils down to "do you want it>is it the priority? if so, fight for it, complacency doesnt garner sympathy."

and obviously, they arent fighting for it, just fighting. if there was an uprising against the hard line governments, the world would pay attention to the view.

[subterFUSE]

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but the common people aren't the ones throwing the punches, it's the ruling classes and the extremists throwing em.

Tell me are the North Koreans all fuckin crazy merely because you don't hear any different views coming out of their country?

On 9/11, it was the muslim masses cheering in the streets at the loss of life in the USA.


No.... I am sorry, but the majority of muslims in this world hate Jews, and hate America for supporting the Jews. This is simple fact.

[Lorn]

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^I always wonder why everyone overlooks that.

[thesightless]

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hope? that maybe in the end, everyone here realizes no matter what you are, where you are, that we are all human and stuck on this planet together?