The New Atheists

[thesightless]

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whatever that last edit in meant, i dunno.

but what i meant, to clarify if we arent on the same page, is that the crusades were responses to wars hitting the holy lands and europe. and they were all before the ottoman empire even began. even the later small battles that were classified as crusades but not actually a full blown church sponsored war were 20 years before the empire began.

[Lrn]

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yea your right, i grew up in a church and of course its always the few that make a bad name for the rest, personally "love they neighbor" and "do unto others as you wish done upon you" are what get over looked when people talk about religion.

but i still have a problem when ethics morality and religion get bundled up as one single entity when government and churches for that matter make decitions for the masses

[thesightless]

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how about. you are free to do as you please, unless. you are harming another person through actions, fraud or help.

or

you are cool until you provide otherwise.

i find these two rules keep me out of trouble and generally are a good way to live.

[rubyraks]

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Sean, you're on quite a rant here...

Truthfully, there's quite a bit of truth to the article whether other people prefer to hear it or not...I have to listen to every fu&king person in this country tell me about god and religion like they fu&kin own it and "god forbid" I even suggest that there is no god (pun intended ). Why the hell do the religious get a free pass on imposing their ideas on the rest of the population? Where the hell is seperation of church and state and tolerance, some of the founding principles of our country?

anyone notice that, for the most part, aethiests are spiteful cunts. i was just driving b4 and i love how they took the jesus fish symbol, and put legs on it and call it darwin. i mean comon, who made that up? someone who was held in the vatican city jail for badmouthing god?

As if religious zealots haven't done more spiteful shit? What the hell gives you the right to start generalizing what atheists are or aren't? Am I a "spiteful cunt"? I know plenty of atheists and rarely do I find them to be spiteful. So what give's your own venemous spiteful rant against atheists any validity? Good for you, you believe in god, so everyone has to jump on the same train with you. They're not even allowed to express their differing beliefs?

I don't believe in god, but because I can't prove that god doesn't exist, nor prove that god does exist, I give everyone an equal amount of respect in terms of their beliefs. Is that spiteful?

I'll put up with quite a number of your rants, but when you start generalizing like an ignorant bastard I'm gonna call you out on it.


P.S. The sad pathetic thing is that I even have to think about whether or not to post this rant of my own here, for fear of offending too many people, but as far as political beliefs go I have way more leeway in what to write before it offends and people are more tolerant. Religion does not have a monopoly on thought...get over it!

[thesightless]

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you are a spiteful cunt. (PS, you where im coming from)

and you damn sure know i put you in the ''good category''

i said in the first thread ''keep it to yourself'' and those are the people i admire more than the pat robertson's in the owrld.


EDIT ::PS, how bout the jets. woo haa.

[thesightless]

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PS i have been laughing at my own threads this morning. it was boring so i was garnering conversation.

[rubyraks]

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It's the generalizing I have a problem with. If we're gonna single out the fanatics on both sides as spiteful cunts, rather than calling out all atheists as spiteful cunts, I have no problem then.

But I ask, are you suggesting both atheists and religious people keep it to themselves? If that's the case, then I have no problem, but I know I damn well get tired of hearing just about every damn religious person in the world trying to preach their views on me. If only they knew how to shut up

[Lrn]

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christians are never goign to keep to themself they are all about preaching

[rubyraks]

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EDIT ::PS, how bout the jets. woo haa.

That was some sweet revenge and an awesome win!

But how about RUTGERS!!! # 7

[thesightless]

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you're damn right i say keep it to yourself.

im most cases of discussions i have about it, coming from a catholic family and abandoning the ''rigid'' idea of catholicism in favor of the older, smaller religions ideals of ''good vs evil'' and peace, i have seen the religious ones moreso disappointed when you talk faith, as opposed to talking to aethiests, whom, and this doesnt include you, seem to actually have a vengence against religion. hence the elton john example. you damn sure know if whatever religion he was born into supported gay rights, he wouldnt have said to ban religion as a whole. when you have religious conversations with them, you tend to be blasted for having faith. the other way around, you come across the situation far more rarely.

you became an aethiest by learning the history if im recalling our chat on 14th st. and you learned the ins and outs and the bullshit. you didnt become an aethiest b/c the jewish faith doesnt accept lawyers who live in NY.

[thesightless]

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also, come to huntington next saturday.. OS vs michigan.

[rubyraks]

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christians are never goign to keep to themself they are all about preaching

and that's the problem, atheists like the one in the article have.

you see if we tolerate that religious preaching, but not the atheists saying anything, then the majority is marginalizing atheists, who are the minority.

[rubyraks]

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also, come to huntington next saturday.. OS vs michigan.

that game's gonna be tight...if I'm in town I'll give it a thought

[thesightless]

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also, on topic. while i will not openly call for it for various reasons (read:atriot act) i wouldnt mind seeing reverend phelps have his house burned down while he sleeps. that is one religious asshole i have a problem with.

[rubyraks]

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An ICM poll in 2004 found that 91 percent of Americans believed in the supernatural, 74 percent believed in an afterlife and 71 percent said they were willing to die for their beliefs.

Man I'd love to see those 71 percent live up to it