Indonesian Justice

[Miroslav]

I know this isn't really "news" anymore...it just pisses me off, and about all I can do is just rant about it on here for a minute.

I came across an update article about Schapelle Corby, the young Australian woman serving 15 years for being caught with several kg of marijuana in her luggage. She claims she was innocent...but that's beside the point to me. Maybe she was and maybe she wasn't. But that's 15 YEARS! And it was 20 before...that just kills me. She'll be ready to get out some time in 2020, for God's sake. She went in in her late 20s...she'll be looking at mid 40s when she gets out. Thats 15 years of out of her life for 4.1 kg of weed.

Meanwhile, Abu Bakar Bashir, the radical Muslim cleric who was convicted playing a role in the 2002 Bali bombings (which killed 202 people) was sentenced to 26 months in jail. He's back out already.


Conclusion: The Indonesian judicial members are brutal pigs. There is nothing that even resembles humanity, ethics, or justice in the Indonesian court system.

[nebra]

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In our country for 4kg of weed you would get about a year of minimum prison with possibility of getting out for weekends or six months if you'd behave nice.

If I'd go to Indonesia I wouldn't even touch the grass which grows out of ground.

[SyntaxTerror]

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This was a massive media circus in Australia miroslav.

People were calling the Indonesians pigs left right and centre just like you, but the fact of the matter is it's their country, their rules.

They have a zero tolerance policy on drugs and guess what? It works! It works really well!

She cried innocent and again everyone called the Indonesians pigs who were crooked enough to plant these drugs on her. A lot has come out since this happened and in my mind I fully believe they were her drugs.

Australians were calling for her release because she kept telling us she was innocent, and there was a case of the pretty girl syndrome - looks go a long way and this played a major part in why people got behind her cause.

I'm glad the Indonesians never caved as this would've made an absolute mockery of their judicial system. They did the right thing and she's lucky it hasn't been a death sentance for her.

Since the trial it has come out that the majority of her family has been busted on posession charges, and there's photos circulating of her hanging out with drug dealers. While this doesn't prove she's guilty it puts a lot of doubt in my mind.

Australia's had a bad run in Indonesia with drug trafficking recently. In one year we had Corby (Pot), Michelle Leslie (2 pills) and the Bali Nine (Trafficking Heroin).

Make sure you read the Michelle Leslie story - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Leslie

She was caught with 2 pills at a party in Bali, sentanced to jail for possibly 15 years, then pretended to be muslim seemingly overnight, they let her off and sent her home and she ditched islam straight away! Classic!

Read our Prime Minister's thoughts on getting busted for drugs in Asia, he sums it up perfectly.

If you're wondering what happened to the Bali Nine, I think most of them were/are sentanced to death.

[SyntaxTerror]

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To set the record straight I don't agree with the harsh sentancing or the death penalty.

But it works very well for them and you're an idiot to try and pull a stunt like that in a country like that.

[Morgan]

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To set the record straight I don't agree with the harsh sentancing or the death penalty.

But it works very well for them and you're an idiot to try and pull a stunt like that in a country like that.

Their country, there rules.

[Miroslav]

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This was a massive media circus in Australia miroslav.

People were calling the Indonesians pigs left right and centre just like you, but the fact of the matter is it's their country, their rules.

I don't care which country and which rules...there is still an element of human decency that should be involved in this which is beyond just nationality. These are human beings. I think it's just far too ruthless to take 15 years from someone for a crime that actually very low on the relative level of offense or danger to society. And how does mr. insane cleric who helps murder people only get 2 years while she gets 15? Where's the consistency in that??

It was also the Taliban's country and the Taliban's rules for a long time in Afghanistan. Did that make it ethically justifiable, what they did to women during those times?

They have a zero tolerance policy on drugs and guess what? It works! It works really well!

Yeah...and if I as a society decide to murder everyone who jaywalks (crosses the street outside of a pedestrian zone), then I bet you that will work really well too. Will that make it right?

[thesightless]

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well, to be PC and """sympathetic"""

it is a predominantly hard line muslim-based government ruled region, and well.... not to be unruly here... their society is nothing short of fucked up beyond repair. from schooling to ruling, they are on a path to shit. yer right on that. drugs get you 15 years, but killing 202 gets you a parade. .... but we deem ourselves above and dont do it, but tolerate them like the assholes we are.

[nebra]

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They should legalize the weed.

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They did the right thing and she's lucky it hasn't been a death sentance for her.

These severe punishments prove the fact the life doesn't worth much there.
The difference between Islam and western world is that to them everyone is expendable due to enforce law order though the laws should be written to serve the society.

[88Mariner]

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wow, i'm already being challenged with censure. hoo-feckin-ray.

I think this is bs

[thesightless]

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dumbest post ever in politics. better hope a ,moderator doesnt see it before you have the chance to take it down.

[SyntaxTerror]

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They should legalize the weed.





These severe punishments prove the fact the life doesn't worth much there.
The difference between Islam and western world is that to them everyone is expendable due to enforce law order though the laws should be written to serve the society.

I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that Islam is at fault here because of the laws. Have you checked out the laws for these sorts of crimes in the rest of that region? The rest of the region is not Islamic, and has exactly the same laws. We also had a guy hung in Singapore in December last year for trafficking.

Thailand, Singapore, China, Indonesia... I'm guessing a whole lot of other countries in the region have similar punishments. Those countries aren't Islamic.

As for your comment of legalising weed. Well, that's a long way off most normal countries mate, let alone Indonesia!

I agree these punishments are fucked up, but:
1. the whole region around it which isn't Islamic has the same punishments.
2. don't take drugs in to the country and expect Australia to bail you out, which the public expects for some reason
3. you can't expect the Indonesian judicial system to bend over just for a pretty girl who's telling us she's innocent. That would make an absolute mockery of any country's judicial system.

[Miroslav]

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I agree these punishments are fucked up, but:
1. the whole region around it which isn't Islamic has the same punishments.
2. don't take drugs in to the country and expect Australia to bail you out, which the public expects for some reason
3. you can't expect the Indonesian judicial system to bend over just for a pretty girl who's telling us she's innocent. That would make an absolute mockery of any country's judicial system.

We're not really far off on this. And to be honest, I overlooked your second reply after your first big one until just now While I do wish the courts would loosen a bit on the "use a cannon to kill a fly" approach, I agree that this isn't an issue with them being a predominantly Muslim society...and definitely nothing I have said is intended as any sort of general slander against Indonesian people.

[SyntaxTerror]

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Miroslav - most of the last post was directed at nebra's claims about Islam. I know their ways are fucked up in more ways than one, but all the Buddhist countries around it have the same rules... and they're meant to be the peaceful ones!

The only problem with my point of you're an idiot if you smuggle drugs in to these strict countries is that some of the drug mules don't always have a choice in their matter - they do the job right or their family gets killed.

[nebra]

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Thailand, Singapore, China, Indonesia... I'm guessing a whole lot of other countries in the region have similar punishments. Those countries aren't Islamic.

3. you can't expect the Indonesian judicial system to bend over just for a pretty girl who's telling us she's innocent. That would make an absolute mockery of any country's judicial system.

Of course the whole Islam isn't bad because of their judicial system which is unacceptable
and too radical for us but more important is how do Indonesians see their judicial system.
And It's absolutely true that the other non islamic countries have similar or maybe even
worse j. system.
I guess religion is not essential when we talk about the laws.
I presume that all the countries with similar j. system have also a quite similar level of
social policy.

I agree with you about that girl who was cought with drugs, she of course can't be
an exception, it's a sad story from our perspective.
The fact is: stupidity can harm you, in Indonesia can even kill you.

[DIDI]

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Just can't let this go without comment

This was a massive media circus in Australia miroslav.

"People were calling the Indonesians pigs left right and centre just like you, but the fact of the matter is it's their country, their rules."

No,people weren't calling the Indonesians pigs. "Their country" does not make their rules right. They are against basic human rights. If the "their country, their rules" had any credence we should still have a Taliban government in Afganistan and A Saddam Hussien in Iraq!

"They have a zero tolerance policy on drugs and guess what? It works! It works really well!"

Since when has it worked,!!!! If it did there would be no market, and people wouldn't be trying to bring in drugs.!!

"She cried innocent and again everyone called the Indonesians pigs who were crooked enough to plant these drugs on her. A lot has come out since this happened and in my mind I fully believe they were her drugs"

The Indonesians were never accused of planting the drugs. Her defense was that they were placed in her boogy board bag at Sydney airport and it is strange that an international airport in these post 9/11 days could not provide a surveillence tape that would have either cleared ot convicted her. There was evidence of a major drug ring operating through Australian Airports at that time. The only thing that has surfaced on her personally is a photograph taken with someone who may or may not deal drugs. Just quietly how many of us could have been in that position.??

"Australians were calling for her release because she kept telling us she was innocent, and there was a case of the pretty girl syndrome - looks go a long way and this played a major part in why people got behind her cause.""

This is just pretty well BS! I think you will find that a lot of people didn't even think she was very pretty. A lot more think that she should have had more of an opportunity to prove her innocence

"I'm glad the Indonesians never caved as this would've made an absolute mockery of their judicial system. They did the right thing and she's lucky it hasn't been a death sentance for her."

Their judicial system needs to be made a mockery, actually it is a mockery, of human rights. Of course she's not fucking lucky!! Fifteen years in an Indonesian hellhole !!

"Since the trial it has come out that the majority of her family has been busted on posession charges, and there's photos circulating of her hanging out with drug dealers. While this doesn't prove she's guilty it puts a lot of doubt in my mind."

Links please!! I believe it is one instance and one so called drug dealer!! And as I said who amongst us!! . Even if it were true it would actually support what a large number of Australians believe, and that is that someone within her family put the drugs in her bag! If you have watched footage of her "capture" she looks quite happy until it is obvious there is something wrong with her bag.

"Australia's had a bad run in Indonesia with drug trafficking recently. In one year we had Corby (Pot), Michelle Leslie (2 pills) and the Bali Nine (Trafficking Heroin)."

Michelle Leslie's case shows just how much of a joke and how corrupt their judicial system is. As for the Bali 9 , this situation is just unspeakably awful. Scott Rush's parents actually told our federal police about the drugs while they were still in Australia. They were given an assurance that nothing would happen to him. But our wonderful AFP literally gave them to a country where the death penalty was the most likely sentence they would get, and in fact that is exactly what Scott Rush got. There was no particlar benefit, they didn't get the major drug players. More a political decision than any relevance to actual justice.

"Make sure you read the Michelle Leslie story - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Leslie

She was caught with 2 pills at a party in Bali, sentanced to jail for possibly 15 years, then pretended to be muslim seemingly overnight, they let her off and sent her home and she ditched islam straight away! Classic!
Read our Prime Minister's thoughts on getting busted for drugs in Asia, he sums it up perfectly."

No thanks ! Every time I hear that sanctimoneous little arsehole I want to puke!! The Rodent is totally out of touch with any reality after the 1950's.

"If you're wondering what happened to the Bali Nine, I think most of them were/are sentanced to death."

So nine human lives are just a footnote to you. You could at least have the human decency to take the trouble to find out how many of them are going to die.

I do have strong beliefs on capital punishment, but even if I didn't the punishment should fit the crime. I am probably leaning to the family thing with Shapelle Corby. There will probably never be enough information available to the general public to make a truly informed judgement. Which is probably why your post makes me so angry, but innocent or guilty this punishment does not fit the crime. I don't believe a low IQ warrants a death sentence.