Hilary Losing Ground in New Hampshire & Iowa

[toasty]

Pretty interesting, I think. I'm watching this pretty closely because I think the Dems will doom themselves if she gets the nomination. There are plenty of republicans that I'd vote for over her.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070110-112457-7197r.htm

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's popularity in Democratic presidential-preference polls has fallen in the nation's first caucus and primary states in the face of increasing support for her chief rivals for the 2008 nomination.

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The New York Democrat, who has been her party's clear front-runner, came in a distant fourth in an Iowa presidential poll of 600 likely voters conducted Dec. 18 to 20, drawing 10 percent in a crowded field of contenders. Mr. Edwards, the Democrats' 2004 vice-presidential nominee, and Mr. Obama were tied in first place with 22 percent each, followed by outgoing Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack with 12 percent.

In New Hampshire, whose first-in-the-nation primary follows the Iowa caucuses, polls showed Mrs. Clinton in a dead heat with Mr. Obama, who was greeted like a rock star in a whirlwind of standing-room-only appearances across the state last month and has since seen his political support skyrocket nationally.

[subterFUSE]

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There are plenty of republicans that I'd vote for over her.

We agree on something.

[Lorn]

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I'm sure she will pull something to get the nod.

[subterFUSE]

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I'm sure she will pull something to get the nod.

Yes. It's called voter fraud.

[AntonyM]

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There are plenty used car salesman
people would vote for before her.
I don't think she can win the female vote
across the board which is pretty much
the only way she can win.
Her husband had no problem
winning the female vote
but of course we know why

[subterFUSE]

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There are plenty used car salesman
people would vote for before her.
I don't think she can win the female vote
across the board which is pretty much
the only way she can win.
Her husband had no problem
winning the female vote
but of course we know why

I disagree. I think she would take a huge portion of the female vote.... including some female republicans. That is why I think she is such a serious contender, and why she will ultimately get the nomination.

This is why we might end up seeing Condi Rice running. If the dems put forth Hillary, then they capture a huge segment of the country right off the bat. Women outnumber men in the USA by about 52-48%. But if the repubs put Condi up against Hillary, this levels that effect out. Furthermore, Condi being black adds a whole new dimension to it.

Sounds far fetched now.... but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the dem ticket had Hillary on it, and the repub ticket had Condi. Maybe as vice-pres?

[superdave]

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I think Hillary would pull a lot of the vote from women, but there are some women that don't like her. I've spoken to some that do not like her, but that's definitely less than who would vote for her.

What's with Al Gore? I think he should try and run again and has a good shot. We all remember he actually got more votes than Bush in '00. His movie is selling well on Amazon.com and maybe he's learned not to say crazy things like creating the internet or Kerry's off to Iraq you go if you're not in school.

I still don't see Obama as a strong contender. He seems more flash than substance.

And as for Condi - I don't think she'll run and hope she doesn't. I don't see her as being a strong Secretary of State or where she stands on issues. When I hear her speak, she parrots the President and sticks to the talking points.

McCain vs Hillary or Gore makes the most sense to me at this point.

[Lorn]

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McCain vs Hillary

This wouldn't be surprising to see.

[88Mariner]

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What's with Al Gore? I think he should try and run again and has a good shot. We all remember he actually got more votes than Bush in '00. His movie is selling well on Amazon.com and maybe he's learned not to say crazy things like creating the internet or Kerry's off to Iraq you go if you're not in school.

Al Gore won't run because if he does, he'll lose his legacy as the man who's 'presidency was stolen'. quite a legacy, and running would simply erase that. His movie is selling well? So what? It's full of shit anyways. Michael Moore has more facts in his documentaries than Al Bore does.

I still don't see Obama as a strong contender. He seems more flash than substance.

Yup. Too young and not experienced enough. There are more experienced players out there than he. But it's too hard to think nowadays, and people will vote on trivial things. So basically, while I agree with you, I'm sure the Democrats will continue pushing him as the new JFK. They've always been the popularity-over-principle group anyways.

And as for Condi - I don't think she'll run and hope she doesn't. I don't see her as being a strong Secretary of State or where she stands on issues. When I hear her speak, she parrots the President and sticks to the talking points.

She won't run, and she won't accept a VP invitation. I think she's been through enough of this presidency that she knows better to keep out.

In grade school my teacher once told me that anyone could be the president. Now I'm afraid this is all too true...

[rubyraks]

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Yup. Too young and not experienced enough. There are more experienced players out there than he. But it's too hard to think nowadays, and people will vote on trivial things. So basically, while I agree with you, I'm sure the Democrats will continue pushing him as the new JFK. They've always been the popularity-over-principle group anyways.

as opposed to the principled republicans who usurped the evangelical platform in order to win...

[subterFUSE]

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In grade school my teacher once told me that anyone could be the president. Now I'm afraid this is all too true...

The problem is that in this day and age, being president is a horrible, HORRIBLE job. Your life is over. You have no privacy ever again. People want to kill you. Destroy your character. Attack your family. Attack your dog. There is no end to it. And it's only getting worse as time goes by.

If you are a smart person in America..... then chances are you can find 1000 other professions which earn you more money, give you a higher quality of life, give your family a higher quality of life, allow you to maintain your privacy, give you more free time, less stress, etc.... So we no longer see the best people running for office. The best people are smart enough to know better than to subject their families to that kind of treatment.

[88Mariner]

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as opposed to the principled republicans who usurped the evangelical platform in order to win...

the republicans aren't principled, or they would be pushing for a limited government, tax cuts, et al. they aren't doing this. Principled? hell no.

are you STILL assuming i'm a republican?

[rubyraks]

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the republicans aren't principled, or they would be pushing for a limited government, tax cuts, et al. they aren't doing this. Principled? hell no.

are you STILL assuming i'm a republican?

I guess I was, just too many people in this country tend to play sides rather than calling em all out...which is essentially the very core of the problem with our politics.

so my apologies

[Lorn]

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Playing sides. Now thats an idea.

[toasty]

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This is why we might end up seeing Condi Rice running. If the dems put forth Hillary, then they capture a huge segment of the country right off the bat. Women outnumber men in the USA by about 52-48%. But if the repubs put Condi up against Hillary, this levels that effect out. Furthermore, Condi being black adds a whole new dimension to it.

Sounds far fetched now.... but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the dem ticket had Hillary on it, and the repub ticket had Condi. Maybe as vice-pres?

Although there are plenty of women that would vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, there are also plenty of women that wouldn't dream of voting for her because they have no respect for a woman that stays with an admitted -- and frequent -- adulterer. There's probably more of the former than the latter, but I don't think her status as a woman will necessarily have all of womankind flocking to her. My opinion.

And as for Condi - I don't think she'll run and hope she doesn't. I don't see her as being a strong Secretary of State or where she stands on issues. When I hear her speak, she parrots the President and sticks to the talking points.

I think superdave's right on this one. Condi has been lockstep with Bush from day 1, and was one of the primary architects of the Iraq war. Neither of those things will ingratiate her to the voting public. Add that to the fact that she is an average public speaker at best -- could you imagine her in a debate? I think she'd get creamed -- and I think you've got a recipe for failure.