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  • subterFUSE
    Gold Gabber
    • Nov 2006
    • 850

    Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

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    Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader
    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
    February 9, 2007 -- After his role in destroying Al Gore?s chance to win the 2000 election, consumer activist and all-around maverick Ralph Nader would seem to have lost his credibility as a presidential candidate. In 2004, as if to punish him for his spoiler role, he got only 1 percent of the national vote, not enough to have any impact on the election.
    But Ralph may have new life if he runs again in 2008. As Congress sifts its way through the various resolutions on the war in Iraq, Senator Hillary Clinton will find herself on the spot, torn between preserving her mainstream viability by supporting the troops in the field and maintaining her front runner status in the Democratic Party by courting the anti-war left. She will be asked to vote on Senator Barack Obama?s bi ll to set a timetable of troop withdrawal culminating in a total pullout by March 2008, and on bills to cut off funding for Bush?s ?surge? of twenty thousand extra troops.
    To date, Hillary has rejected setting a timetable, saying that it undermines our mission and encourages the enemy to hang in there, and says she will vote against cutting off funds for our troops while they are in harm?s way. If she continues with these positions, she will become the right of the Democratic 2008 field. Obama may also oppose a funding cutoff, but his focus on a timetable for withdrawal would put him to Hillary?s left. And former VP candidate John Edwards, who doesn?t sit in the Senate anymore, will loudly proclaim his support for both a timetable and a funding cutoff, making him the left flank of the three-way race.
    If Hillary doesn?t change her positions ? always a possibility when deali ng with her ? but still appeases the left enough to win the nomination, she may run smack into Ralph Nader as a professed, overt, and absolutely committed anti-war candidate. In a race of Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton vs. Ralph Nader, a dedicated opponent of the war has only one possible vote: Nader.
    The ranks of antiwar voters could swell Nader?s performance far above the dismal 1 percent he got in 2004 and even above the 3 percent he won in 2000. It is not inconceivable that Nader could pass 5-7 percent of the vote or go even higher if he is the only antiwar candidate in the field.
    The real question is: How will Hillary finesse the left and still keep opposing a timetable for a pullout and supporting funding for troops? She will try to ratchet up her anti-war rhetoric, even as she votes to let it continue. Her recent declaration at the Democratic National Committee that she would ?end? the war as president, reminiscent of Eisenhower?s 1952 vow to ?go to Korea?, is an example of this strategy. Her criticism of Bush and the Pentagon will become ever more strident as she tries to make the left focus on what she says not on what she does.
    This approach may appease the broad center of the Democratic Party enough to win their votes for Hillary, but it will not satisfy the purist, activist, antiwar left. They will nurse grudges over Hillary?s defeat of their anti-war hero: John Edwards. If the animosity spills over into the general election, it could catalyze a Nader candidacy in the fall of '08.
    Nader doesn?t like Hillary. He recently called her a ?panderer and a flatterer.? He told CNN?s Wolf Blitzer that while he has not decided to run, ?I'm committed to trying to give more voices and choices to the American people on the ballot. That means more th ird parties, independent candidates and to break up this two-party elected dictatorship that is becoming more and more like a dial for the same corporate dollars.?
    Sounds like a candidate to me.
  • Huggie Smiles
    Anyone have Styx livesets?
    • Jun 2004
    • 11836

    #2
    Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

    its too late to vote for an antiwar candidate!!

    PLUS - obamma did vote against the war.
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    • toasty
      Sir Toastiness
      • Jun 2004
      • 6585

      #3
      Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

      I dunno, man. I enjoy reading Morris' thoughts on things, but he really dislikes Hillary, and I think he's let that dislike get the better of him this time. I just think he's wrong here, period.

      I can't see Nader getting more than a handful of votes under any circumstances, because people just don't view him as a serious candidate anymore. Everyone knows that he doesn't have a chance to win, but the perception now is that he's running more to push a message or feed his ego than to actually gain votes, so people don't even use him as a protest vote.

      The other thing to keep in mind is that people on the left side of things won't ever vote for Ralph Nader again. To many liberals, Ralph Nader is personally responsible for handing George W Bush the presidency and given what has happened since W took the reins, that is an unforgivable act. I can't see any serious democrats voting for Nader over Hilary, Obama, Edwards or anyone else regardless of what they think on the issues because it is tantamount to voting for the Republican candidate.

      The numbers seem to bear this out. In 2000, he received 2.7% of the vote. In 2004, only .4%. Hell, that's not many more votes than I got, and I didn't even run.

      Like I said, I find Morris interesting, but I think he's off base on this one. Nader is a non-factor, and barring something really revolutionary happening, I don't see this changing.

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      • 88Mariner
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        • Nov 2006
        • 7128

        #4
        Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

        what's the difference between hillary and nader? anyone?
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        • subterFUSE
          Gold Gabber
          • Nov 2006
          • 850

          #5
          Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

          Originally posted by 88Mariner
          what's the difference between hillary and nader? anyone?

          Hillary is still married to someone who cheated on her with cattle.

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          • Lorn
            Looking for a title!
            • Sep 2004
            • 5826

            #6
            Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

            Originally posted by subterFUSE
            Hillary is still married to someone who cheated on her with cattle.
            Best answer I've read in a long while.

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            • subterFUSE
              Gold Gabber
              • Nov 2006
              • 850

              #7
              Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

              Originally posted by Lorn
              Best answer I've read in a long while.

              I aim to please.

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              • thesightless
                Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                • Jun 2004
                • 13567

                #8
                Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                Originally posted by Huggie Smiles

                PLUS - obamma did vote against the war.
                no he didnt. thats the thing,. he wasnt around for the vote. he can tell us he wouldnt have, but he never had the oppurtunity. hillary however, voted twice for the wars. cunt.
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                • toasty
                  Sir Toastiness
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 6585

                  #9
                  Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                  Originally posted by thesightless
                  no he didnt. thats the thing,. he wasnt around for the vote. he can tell us he wouldnt have, but he never had the oppurtunity. hillary however, voted twice for the wars. cunt.
                  Well, he didn't have the opportunity to vote against the war because he wasn't in the Senate yet, but he hasn't claimed to have voted against the war -- he has claimed to be a vocal opponent of the war, which he was.

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                  • Lorn
                    Looking for a title!
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 5826

                    #10
                    Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                    I think you both said the same thing.

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                    • nabeyakiudon
                      Fresh Peossy
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 7

                      #11
                      Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                      This article is a load of crap. Like Huggie Smiles said, it's too late to be anti-war.

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                      • Kobe
                        I wish I had an interesting User title
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 2589

                        #12
                        Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                        Intersting article build on a very weak assumption.
                        Beats are my crack.

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                        • Lorn
                          Looking for a title!
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 5826

                          #13
                          Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                          I honestly don't see how a full-fledged anti-war candidate could win in 08. Whoever becomes president will have so much pressure to deal with things in Iraq and Afghan and will most likely not just abandon what is going on over there. If Hillary gets in, I predict many years of ME occupation by the US.

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                          • toasty
                            Sir Toastiness
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 6585

                            #14
                            Re: Hillary's Nightmare: Ralph Nader

                            Originally posted by Lorn
                            I honestly don't see how a full-fledged anti-war candidate could win in 08. Whoever becomes president will have so much pressure to deal with things in Iraq and Afghan and will most likely not just abandon what is going on over there.
                            Agreed, at least as to Afghanistan. I would have a really tough time advocating anyone that wanted to pull out of there. We have a completely legitimate reason to be there, and although things have stepped up there recently, that's still a war worth fighting as long as bin Laden is out there. They are apples and oranges, imo.

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