All this talk about Iran...

[rubyraks]

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When intelligence is based on the word of suspected terrorists during interrogation and not vetted in any proper manner, taking that word is as good as a lie. We expect our information to be verified, not merely rumor.

[Kobe]

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Indeed, perhaps if people had asked some more questions (or, ahem, paid attention to the contrary evidence), we wouldn't be in the quagmire we're in now.

I would like to ammend this one point, the two options we were given at the time were:

1> Go along with the plan to invade, and
2> Like it

There were pleanty who felt the story didn't add up, but there was a witch hunt mentality at the time, congress was railroaded into the decision. To vote against the war was one step short of strapping a bomb to your chest, and frankly I wish someone would have the nerve to say so now.

[Localizer]

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I don't consider bad intelligence an excuse for anything. It is simply an explanation. It is a critical fact which is being willfully ignored by the left, in particular.

I think we need to be taking a serious look at our past. How did it come to be that our intelligence agencies around the world were so wrong? And how to we fix that? Those are the most important questions, I think.

Bad intelligence is just a result. There is a fundamental problem which caused that result, and that's what needs to be addressed.

We all know what the underlying problem was: the Bush Adminstration decided to pick whatever information they wanted and slap it together, all-the-while knowing that the information that they had was patchy.

[Jenks]

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I wish Iran would piss off the Chinese.

[Lorn]

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That would be cool.

[thesightless]

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i wish the middle east would have a relapse of a major epidemic that the west held the cure for. we could hold it over their heads for years, and peacefully force them into a corner. a nice serious smallpox breakout, maybe the plague, and we could all sit and laugh at them and say "remember when you guys cheered in the streets after 9-11? well, we are cheering now fucko. you wanted the dark ages, you got the plague. fuck off. we'll get the oil once youre all dead. enjoy the remaining time in your miserable religiously fueled shit storm of a society. heck, if you stopped killing each other and blaming everyone else, you could focus on your own problem. fuck you bye.

[subterFUSE]

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That would be sweet.

[Jenks]

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yeah, but how do you REALLY feel Sean?

[toasty]

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you wanted the dark ages, you got the plague.

Did you know that a handful of cases of the bubonic plague are still diagnosed each year? Could you imagine hearing that from your doctor?

You: So, what's the word, doc? A little bacterial infection?
Doctor: Actually, you have the plague
You:



Sorry, I guess that shouldn't really be funny, but, well, fuck it, yes it is.

[Jenks]

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You: Man, doc, think i have the cold or something, probably should have come to see you earlier, but i avoid hospitals like the plague.

Doc: Funny you mention that...cuz uh...

[toasty]

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nothing like a little plague humor to kick off the weekend...

[Jenks]

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hey if you can't laugh at the black death, then who can you laugh at?

[runningman]

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I wouldn't doubt it if the USA spread a plague in the middle east.. you can always blame third world countries for plagues because the aren't "developed"..

the world would be a better place for us if two things happened:
1. The USA flat out robs the banks where China holds their money. Just take it, its ours anyways. That could pay off the debt and fix the USA.
2. Got rid of muslims.

[subterFUSE]

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I wouldn't doubt it if the USA spread a plague in the middle east.. you can always blame third world countries for plagues because the aren't "developed"..

the world would be a better place for us if two things happened:
1. The USA flat out robs the banks where China holds their money. Just take it, its ours anyways. That could pay off the debt and fix the USA.
2. Got rid of muslims.

I like # 1.

As for # 2, I'll do you one better.... just get rid of all religious people. Nothing but troublemakers, every last one of them.

[Localizer]

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I wouldn't doubt it if the USA spread a plague in the middle east.. you can always blame third world countries for plagues because the aren't "developed"..

the world would be a better place for us if two things happened:
1. The USA flat out robs the banks where China holds their money. Just take it, its ours anyways. That could pay off the debt and fix the USA.
2. Got rid of muslims.

It wasn't muslims that destroyed African nations. It wasn't muslims that brought disease to the new world and collapse of some of the greatest empires in the world. While Europe was sifting through the dark ages, Persian nations were hard at work helping to uncover science hand-in-hand with Europeans. Everything that is occurring now is occurring because either the Americas or Europeans were hardcore imperialists. I think this quote serves it's purpose:

"When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the Land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible".