All this talk about Iran...

**subterFUSE** · February 19, 2007, 10:26:17 PM

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Originally posted by davetlv

I believe the year of note is actually 622 C.E.

I am a complete athiest.... but I think that using Common Era, and Before Common Era instead of B.C. and A.D. is so freaking gay.

**Shpira** · February 19, 2007, 10:28:28 PM

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^^^ agreed

**Localizer** · February 19, 2007, 10:28:46 PM

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Originally posted by thesightless

what didnt i read in this

dude, the middle east and north africa were the site of wars every century since about 600 AD. early on, they were based on the ideas of religous rule expansion. when were they working hand in hadn

And what great power wasn't? The whole European block was at war and was about conquest, whether it was with the Nords, the Mongols, or even the Persians. You give way too much credit to Judeo-Christian nations. The point I'm trying to make is that whether you're Christian or Muslim, the equation is still the same: both were vile and both carry the same weight of guilt.

**Localizer** · February 19, 2007, 10:34:11 PM

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Originally posted by thesightless

stop trying to help me in this question please, you are making me sound like i am blaming the islamic church for each of the worlds evils. hardly, all i did was see a half fact, i.e. one that was partially true, but was missing a lot. the persian empire did make gains, but they were not working hand in with the europeans. disease was around for millenia before american and european imperialists, in fact, there was war on the african continent's northern end since about 600. 90% it was a result of an agression of an arab or persian dynasty.

Wait hold up...so you're saying that those nations that the Arabs fought against just happened to own that land? They didn't conquer it? Bullshit bro. Stop slinging shit out your ass.

As for the disease, imperialists caused this little thing called a pandemic in new territories. Oh wait, and what did they come to the new land in the name of?

Anyway, back to topic, I have to side with Toasty.

From my own personal opinion, the only reason I agree with us being there, if this is even a correct reason, is to help Israel if shit hits the fan. Other than that, we can easily eliminate oil dependency. It's a matter of putting the iron fist down, which Bush is too pussy to do.

**davetlv** · February 19, 2007, 10:35:47 PM

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Originally posted by subterFUSE

I am a complete athiest.... but I think that using Common Era, and Before Common Era instead of B.C. and A.D. is so freaking gay.

Well then its a good thing that one of the board fags wrote it, its it!

**Shpira** · February 19, 2007, 10:37:29 PM

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You'll be discussing this fucking history right as American soldiers march through Iran...because in the end thats all we can do...so fuck it. Unless you inhabitants of the new world make your voices heard through a REVOLUTION!

**Localizer** · February 19, 2007, 10:59:17 PM

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Originally posted by Shpira

You'll be discussing this fucking history right as American soldiers march through Iran...because in the end thats all we can do...so fuck it. Unless you inhabitants of the new world make your voices heard through a REVOLUTION!

I can tell you right now that if we march through Iran, we'll be marching through Russia as well, and North Korea, and even Venezuela.

**thesightless** · February 19, 2007, 10:59:51 PM

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ok, im lost in the arguement. i was only syaing that the societiies that spread from the early persian and arab regions into northern africa and europe were not in any way working peacefully with the europeans of the age, but rather, were in a war with said parties for centuries.

but aside from that,

does anyone think that this iran talk is being genreated by the media and democrats, i mean, bush has clearly stated on different occasions that he has no aims at iran. but the occasions where iran is being brought up outside of the evidence showing, it seems to be coming from the democratic presidential candidates and pelosi, add in some media as well. but i have not personally seen any reports of bush threatening them with military action.

**88Mariner** · February 19, 2007, 11:01:54 PM

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russia is supplying Iran with arms.

why?

**Localizer** · February 19, 2007, 11:23:46 PM

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Originally posted by 88Mariner

russia is supplying Iran with arms.

why?

because throughout history, we peons fight amongst ourselves while the head honchos overlook and laugh at us as they collect and reap rewards off human irrationality.

**toasty** · February 20, 2007, 12:03:50 AM

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Originally posted by thesightless

does anyone think that this iran talk is being genreated by the media and democrats

Nah, Iran has been on the radar since before Bush took office. See PNAC

**Shpira** · February 20, 2007, 12:12:24 AM

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Originally posted by Localizer

because throughout history, we peons fight amongst ourselves while the head honchos overlook and laugh at us as they collect and reap rewards off human irrationality.

Thats certainly one way of looking at it...yet another way is to ask why not?!
Why wouldn't they I mean America and Britain are world's chief retailers of arms...they have sold weapons to Russia's enemies (Chechen rebels had some and Afghanistan earlier)...Iran poses no threat to Russia and its even beneficial to them to have instability in the middle east because that means that Europe gets oil from Russia hence the new pipeline being built.

It also has a long going hate/dislike toward Israel (people forget that Putin was a KGB officer he thinks like one...and essentially not much has changed since he was one)...as you probably know or not it was also him who sold weapons to Lebanon (Katusha although from WW2 still effective) the use which caused an Israely retaliation with the use of cluster bombs.

As for marching through Russia THAT will NEVER happan...I'am sure of that much!
If you do a little bit of digging you will find out some moves that Putin has made (sold high tech anti aircraft missiles which have anti stealth capabilities to Iran) and is yet trying to make (buy in majority stock control in a company which has been chief supplier to the US military for anti aircraft, radar and general navigation equipment)-he might have actually done this already as my sources are about a month or so old...

Thats why man made the Internet...

**88Mariner** · February 20, 2007, 01:58:58 AM

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What is your opinion on PNAC?

**toasty** · February 20, 2007, 12:32:03 PM

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Originally posted by 88Mariner

What is your opinion on PNAC?

Well, to the extent that I would attribute the downward spiral of our foreign policy to the neo-con movement, I can't say that I'm a big fan. When you look at the number of PNAC members who have been placed in prominent positions in the Bush Administration, I can't help associating it with the rampant cronyism that has characterized the last few years. And the actual performance of those folks -- Wolfowitz, Armitage, Libby, Bolton, Cheney, Rumsfeld? Can't say that I'm impressed.

**thesightless** · February 20, 2007, 02:32:50 PM

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fuck the PNAC. i wanna see the PNSW. (prodject for new stable world)

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