CD's vs Vinyl and Why!

[BureOne]

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I havent listened or downloaded anything by Sasha since about 2001. Never seen him live either. After 2000 I just lost interest in the fellow. Don't know why; I just did.

Over the weekend I tried my friends Serato thingamajig... It was ok. I was amazed at how "tangible" each track actually was with those "fake" records. Nice view with the laptop in front of you, clicking and dragging.

Only thing, I found the bpm counter thing to be way off! Not accurate at all imo.

I don't think I'll dive into something like that anytime soon.

[Ultra Vibe]

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As long as you have fun doing it your way and making it your own.

Beautifully said.

As for Sasha.. the man is ahead of his time, always has been. Who else is mixing 5+ tracks together at ONCE? Very few.

[Jenks]

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Beautifully said.

As for Sasha.. the man is ahead of his time, always has been. Who else is mixing 5+ tracks together at ONCE? Very few.

Man, where do you get this stuff? Sasha isn't mixing 5+ tracks together, and never has. lol. And if you're talking about him using Ableton these days, and him being ahead of his time, djs have been using ableton for ages, long before sarsh decided to give it a whirl and fuck it up. Look, i'm not denying the man's influence in this music we love. He was a legend in the 90s. To say he's still groundbreaking tho and he's leading the pack is just nonsense.

As for this vinyl vs cd debate, all that matters is what comes out of the speakers. If you're rocking dancefloors, that's the deal.

[billyz]

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As for this vinyl vs cd debate, all that matters is what comes out of the speakers. If you're rocking dancefloors, that's the deal.[/quote]

Nicely put Jenks! I'm still wonder who is mentionable in your opinion?

[Jenks]

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Nicely put Jenks! I'm still wonder who is mentionable in your opinion?

We're gonna be worlds apart on mentionables probably, as we are into different kinds of music, but for me:

pushing the envelope: Junction sm

old school, still pushing the envelope: Dan Bell, Matt Dear

new comers, that are really blowing my cap off: butane, ion ludwig, lee curtis...

this could be a long list..stopping there as this isn't the point of this thread.

I don't listen to a lot (read any) progressive house or electro house or whatever it's called these days, but i know enough to know Sasha isn't doing anything revolutionary.

[BureOne]

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Come on Jenks, Sasha is not only playing 5 + tunes at once, but he's doing it with his toes, this gives him more function at the ableton controls with his hands!.

If Chem would still be around he would love this thread.

[Jenks]

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YES yes! I heard Sasha plays two of those records with his anus too!!

[billyz]

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We're gonna be worlds apart on mentionables probably, as we are into different kinds of music, but for me:

pushing the envelope: Junction sm

old school, still pushing the envelope: Dan Bell, Matt Dear

new comers, that are really blowing my cap off: butane, ion ludwig, lee curtis...

this could be a long list..stopping there as this isn't the point of this thread.

I don't listen to a lot (read any) progressive house or electro house or whatever it's called these days, but i know enough to know Sasha isn't doing anything revolutionary.

Cool, though I'll admit I'm not sure who these people or groups are, but I'll definitely check them out if I can. That is one of the few regrets I have about the scene around central florida, being we were exposed more to sasha or florida breaks so some of the other styles just got over looked which was sad.
I thank you for the enlightment and am open to anything you can send my way to hear some of these people or groups. And yes while this isn't what the original thread was about, I find it interesting to hear or see what may be influencing you and or what you play. Just for the record, I play and collect prog house, tech house, house, electro house, minimal, classics, rave, and some nu skool breaks when in the mood, hell if its got a good groove I'm on it. But I listen to everything just because you never know what you'll like till you listen to it.

[Ultra Vibe]

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Man, where do you get this stuff? Sasha isn't mixing 5+ tracks together, and never has. lol.

Uh, have you seen Sasha live lately? His mixer is a one of a kind and is easily capable of mixing 5+ tracks together at any given time WITHOUT the use to Abelton Live. From the Qat Collection to his Airdrawndagger days all the way up till now - he has been pushing boundaries both in mixing as well as production work, you cant deny that. I'm not saying he is the only one leading the pack, but he is definitely in the top 3.

Like I said before, he is way ahead of his time. In 10 years you'll be saying "yeah he was big shit in the 2000's but not anymore.."

[Kinetic]

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Uh, have you seen Sasha live lately? His mixer is a one of a kind and is easily capable of mixing 5+ tracks together at any given time WITHOUT the use to Abelton Live. From the Qat Collection to his Airdrawndagger days all the way up till now - he has been pushing boundaries both in mixing as well as production work, you cant deny that. I'm not saying he is the only one leading the pack, but he is definitely in the top 3.

Like I said before, he is way ahead of his time. In 10 years you'll be saying "yeah he was big shit in the 2000's but not anymore.."

I?m sorry, but WTF are you talking about?

Mix together 5 tracks WITHOUT the use of Ableton Live?

His mixer is actually a MIDI controller specifically made for use with Ableton Live, I doubt it can do much without being connected to the software. Also, he may have 5 CHANNELS on it, but that doesn?t mean he?ll play 5 tracks all at once, I?ve never heard him do that in any set, Sasha chops his tracks into sections so he can re-arrange them on the spot, he might throw a few loops over the top and whatnot, but playing 5 tracks at once will sound like crap. Playing 5 loops of separate instruments might be alright, but not 5 tracks.

Also, there have been tutorials about DJ?ing with Live on Ableton?s site at least since version 3, Sasha only started doing it around the end of 2004, with version 5. So I?d say there were people DJ?ing with Live at least 2 years before Sasha, in fact, it could be any random joe, because the tutorial were avaliable to anyone. Richie Hawtin, for example, has been using it for his gigs way before Sasha ever thought about it.

[jeffrey collins]

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the only dj i've ever heard of to mix like that without the aide of any program has been Danny Tenaglia. Sasha...from what I've heard of him lately barely mixes two tracks together. Yeah he has about a ton of little clips of tracks to loop them quite easily. But 5 tracks at once...not with the type of music he plays...it would make too much of a cocophany of sound.

[Ultra Vibe]

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Ok my bad he does run Ableton through his Maven but listen. This is taken directly from his Fundacion album flip book. And I quote:

"Completed in just a few days, "Fundacion" is the sound of Sasha's Ableton/Maven set-up in live action and intuitively matches some of the coolest electro house sounds around with forgotten classics he has revived and reworked. Sometimes as many as five tracks come together at once to create completely new tunes - through Sasha's innate ability to clarify at streamline sound means things never get over-crowded. Instead 'Fundacion' captures a great DJ having the time of his life. "It's completely re-energized me again," says Sasha. "I'm jumping up and down in the DJ booth. And people can feel that on the dance-floor, they know."

Look I'm not saying Sasha is God - or even the best at what he does, all I'm saying is that he is top 10% for sure.

[hambino21]

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He might be using elements from 5 different tracks which he previously edited and spliced but he's not pulling a Carl cox up there trust me. Tell me one set of his you've heard that has five different tracks playing in it. Now don't get me wrong, I've always loved a good Sasha performance, but I think you're being a little too generous. Plus on top of that, you can play five tracks + at one time just using a xone 62 ( if you're using ableton or something like that along with some other hardware if you wanted. The Maven like mentioned before is just a Midi controller with pretty lights. It adjusts levels.

[etincelles]

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[thesightless]

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the CDj's just allow for finer tuning and much better mixing with the looping functions, if you dont beleive me on that, go listen to my last mix in promo. tons of looping on the mix.