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  • cobalt1
    Fresh Peossy
    • Mar 2007
    • 30

    History of predictability

    where's the progress. Id hate to say it, but too many Dj's are conforming to formula's; the music structure is just too damn obvious. I should probably have some proof ( i guess).

    you start off with a basic beat, generally with either high hats n' snares (no bassline) or the exact opposite. The idea here is to give dj's the ground work to mix easier, less clutter on the mids allows for smoother transition. sometimes you have a melody and no beat....also helps to mix...and then comes the boom as i like to call it.

    What is the boom????

    the boom, back in da day - when i was but a wee lad, was some cheesy drum role as a prelude to the previous melody +beat, or a quick silence before +beat. As the basic formation soon gave way melodic synth roles, the structure remained the same but the sequencing became more advanced.

    techno, and the drum role became trance and the melodic rythems...long silences and reverb n' echo laced vocals.

    then some people (who swore they never liked techo or trance) vowed that house music is the universal language etc. etc. and so house music was reborn...frankie knuckles or deepdish, these crackheads called a spade a spade.
    it was a constant beat...no roles or gimiks but instead the genre used adding and subtracting from the beat to create its highs lows and climax. Because of its western roots, the genre featured some jazzy - funk vibes...

    Soon east and west met conveniently in the middle, an island many feel is not apart of europe. The british (who viewed the rest of the world as wakaz or whatever) were still tripping balls over happy hardcore, drum and base and hip hop. break beats btw are basically hip hop beats sped up; ask mix master mic, qbert and da like, that little alteration in the beat before variation form ( a form of musical departure) but enough music thoery. Somewhere between the beer and the pills and a few nerdy looking guys trying to get laid; break beats hit center stage....genius i tell u...some of the worlds best producers are british.

    zgermans (everone else in europe minus france, italy and spain are zgermans). must have been pissed. kraftwerk must have been rolling in their graves (they must be dead by now right?). Trance was almost dead (too obvious...ok so you can play three notes on ur midicontroller...congrats). So they thought (and most of the world at this point were thinking) why not mix up all the elements huh? get some rock ryffs going, with trancy filter sweeps, sometimes we add beats, sometimes we chop op vocals with effects,,, sometimes we bust out the breaks, drum roles, silence's, funky vocals, melodic vocals, tribal, goa, psy... doooo ittttt.... and here we are. as expected.

    thats the point ladys and gents (mostly gents). predictable. its not the producers fault, or really the dj's. Its not music for the sake of music. its something people wanna here when they go out. something repetative so they can keep a consistant dance that hopefully they have mastered by now wilst wasted. No one buys Electonic music Cds, they may go to the clubs, but they dont buy that shit. If they do, they buy some Dj's CD (not the producer) and a famous dj @ that. Records are for the serious listner...but how many are there...what %

    we know...i mean we must know by now 90% of people stepping into a club w8ing for a famous dj dont give a rats ass what he plays as long as the majority thinks its cool.

    the real music fans, us.. The guys that put the sets and music into the sweaty palms of the guys that at one point thought venga boys were cool, prevent that sorry son of a bitch from learning what he or she really likes, what music is.


    Long live creativity and those who yeild its majestic sword
    (i donno what that means, its gay but iv been watching the series rome n... i should shut up now)


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  • Dhar_2
    meat and potatoes
    • Jun 2004
    • 18924

    #2
    Re: History of predictability

    probably the best first post ever..... where did u copy and paste it from???

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    • AndyH
      Platinum Poster
      • May 2005
      • 1786

      #3
      Re: History of predictability

      ^^ just what I was thinking. Even if so, prob best 1st post ever. Lets see if it is followed up with further depp musical insights..
      [quote=lilsensa '] 'Who wants to sample size my ball sack?'

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      • tiddles
        Encryption, Jr.
        • Jun 2004
        • 6861

        #4
        Re: History of predictability

        i've always thought the problem is that they're aren't enough producers who have backgrounds as musicians.

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        • Miroslav
          WHOA I can change this!1!
          • Apr 2006
          • 4122

          #5
          Re: History of predictability

          I don't think music is "better" or "worse" now than it was in the past. Many people just like to nostalgically badmouth it to feed their own egos.
          mixes: www.waxdj.com/miroslav

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          • cobalt1
            Fresh Peossy
            • Mar 2007
            • 30

            #6
            Re: History of predictability

            miroslav's got a point there. I do produce music; but cant say im too proud of the stuff I do produce. The issue is not creativity; its more technical skill im lacking (not fundamental).Im schooled in music theory but most any producer can school me.
            So its easy to chritisize; but im not professional, and dont claim to be one; im a fan and fans often chritisize.

            I didnt cut and paste; but im blushing @ the thought. memeber of electonicz visio; past admin to some DC rooms; before that mIRC.

            cheers,


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            • KinKyJ
              Platinum Poser
              • Jun 2004
              • 13438

              #7
              Re: History of predictability

              Great first post cobalt, welcome aboard and good luck with the pursuit of not getting a life (I'm tellin' ya, MS will contribute to that for sure )

              On topic: hammer nail head Miro

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              • SyntaxTerror
                Occupation: Playtex Sales
                • Jun 2004
                • 964

                #8
                Re: History of predictability

                These threads used to be a lot better back in the day. They're just not written like they used to be. Bring back the old school threads I say.
                "If not for Josh Wink, Sasha wouldn't own any Acid except for the paper stuff he dopes chicks with at clubs." - Jenks, 2004

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                • Lorn
                  Looking for a title!
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 5826

                  #9
                  Re: History of predictability

                  Originally posted by SyntaxTerror
                  These threads used to be a lot better back in the day. They're just not written like they used to be. Bring back the old school threads I say.
                  I was thinking the same thing.

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                  • cobalt1
                    Fresh Peossy
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 30

                    #10
                    Re: History of predictability

                    Good music exists and is still being made; point im trying to make is that most music now is bottled and labled; it is meant to conform to a specific style, meant to be played @ a specific BPM to fit into the set, there are good dj's....

                    Hybrid, Emanuel Phaz, Shiloh, Noel Sanger, Newbreed, Jody Wisternoff n' Nick Warren...new faces like Darin Epsilon.....They play, good tunez as far as im concerned...but there was a time when you listened to this new hot track, and it wasnt a track....it was magic..like it wasnt real....I remember hearing Moshic's essential mix in 03' and thinking the first 10 min were fucking surreal (body loose control of feelings deep inside), Fanciulli @ club class in 05' with robophobia, When Gabriel made summer calling and then teamed up with dresden and andain again for beautiful things....not the roughest manliest music...but it was highly musical and fresh....and yet deepdish took home a grammy for remixing modonna LOL

                    Markus Schulz was also interesting in 03' , tiesto had some bad mix's in 2000, Then I remember Dpen, vsags and Hernan's commencment - fighting tenaglia for ownership rights of that darker house perhaps.

                    Have we not heard every type of break, every form of buildup, every combination of ever genre, and yet 99% to the same basic bass beat formation

                    000X 000X 000X 000X 1/16


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                    • the sun the sea
                      Platinum Poster
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 1449

                      #11
                      Re: History of predictability

                      sometimes when i get sick of hearing beats i listen to other forms of music, become bored, and then immediately go back to edm.
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                      • thesightless
                        Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 13567

                        #12
                        Re: History of predictability

                        if you want something fresh, check out anything by hector romero in the last two years. boy is on fire right now. right up their next to digweed and nick warren in my book.
                        your life is an occasion, rise to it.

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                        • Shpira
                          Angry Boy Child
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 4969

                          #13
                          Re: History of predictability

                          Originally posted by the sun the sea
                          sometimes when i get sick of hearing beats i listen to other forms of music, become bored, and then immediately go back to edm.

                          Yeah this happens to me sometimes and then I turn to some old school hip-hop and that lasts for about 5 min...

                          As for the main point...I think its just that most of us have been listening and analyzing dj's and electronic music for so long...just recently I was thinking how I wished someone would have stopped me from getting into DJ-ing...I wished that I had that same feeling of magic when I entered a club...when a DJ would build up a song or that feeling of complete dis-belief as he he played with the filters...that total ignorance of how he did it...now I don't tend to enjoy music that much as my taste is far more refined...there is no magic- I know how he does it and I know it can be done better. I rarely get those tingling goose bumps when I hear a song...
                          its usually old tunes that bring back memories of past good times that get me going rather than the new ones...
                          So I think its us not the music...ask someone who is new to the scene if they feel like you do?
                          The Idiots ARE Winning.


                          "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
                          Mark Twain

                          SOBRIETY MIX

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                          • cobalt1
                            Fresh Peossy
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30

                            #14
                            Re: History of predictability

                            your prob right shpira; now check out "Shpongle - Divine moments of truth" if you havent run into it.... it always gives me hope..... or "SSX- Hybrid - Finished Symphony" and guess when it was created.... hopefully one will cheer u up


                            btw; your avitar scares me for some reason


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