Iran captures British Forces at Gunpoint

[Shpira]

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Lets not get carried away here...not all things that came from the middle east were bad!
After all the middle east is often called the cradle of todays civilization...there is even a theory now explored that the earliest forms of democracy actually pre-date Greece and come from the middle east. So relax people...not all Middle Eastern products should be scraped...they make damn fine opium!

[threehills]

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I found it quite amusing that the initial position the Iranian goverment gave for the British ship was 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters. But of course, when this was pointed out, they changed the position.

[thesightless]

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like i said. typical middle eastern bullshit.

and in regards to the north african / arab comparisons. the arabs have overrun the northern end of arica and are wrecking shit there today as we speak. sudan, somalia, eritia, ethiopia. all problems with arab militias, whom are also the standard islamic asshats pushing thier rule on people who dont want it. yes, they share an african heritage, but the shitstorm is wholly based within the arab/islam vs everyone conflict.

here, google news items for the border areas of the circle. most of it will be about violent deaths resulting from middle eastern based peoples pushing thier violent idealogy,




oh btw, when the coalition forces capture someone, our citizen scream that they need fair trials, and proper treatment under international agreement. but there.....

[subterFUSE]

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How to stand up to Iran:

MEMBERS STAND UP TO IRAN

By DICK MORRIS

Published on TheHill.com on March 27, 2007.

How should the United States respond to the proliferation of deadly roadside explosives in Iraq manufactured and developed in Iran?

And how to react to the capture by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard of 15 British Marines and sailors in Iraqi territorial waters?

What should we do about Iran’s continued refusal to halt its nuclear enrichment program even in the face of twice-imposed United Nations sanctions?

We should pass — and the president should sign — the Dodd-Lantos bill mandating economic sanctions on any foreign company that aids Iran’s energy industry. Domestic companies are already prohibited from such investments.

This Democratic bill, cosponsored by Sen. Chris Dodd (Conn.) and Rep. Tom Lantos (Calif.), is a bold piece of legislation that strikes at the core of Iranian vulnerability.

And, in a singular act of courage and dedication to principle, Republican presidential candidate Congressman Duncan Hunter (Calif.) has added his name to the legislation as a cosponsor. Hunter’s action is particularly admirable since the bill is designed to force the Bush administration to impose sanctions passed in the 1990s but disregarded by both presidents, Clinton and Bush, ever since.

The Dodd-Lantos bill would omit the national security waiver Clinton used twice to stop the sanctions from taking effect. The waiver was inserted at the insistence of then-National Security Advisor Sandy Berger (before he started stealing documents in his socks). For his part, President Bush has not even waived the law, he just hasn’t applied it at all.

The original sanctions legislation provided a variety of punishments that the president had to impose on foreign companies that invest in Iran’s oil and gas industries. These ranged from barring their participation in underwriting Treasury issues to prohibiting them from receiving export-import financing, as well as certain government contracts. The sanctions were so effective that they triggered howls of outrage from European governments that objected to what they called “extraterritorial” assertions of American power.

Presumably neither Bush nor Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice wants to rekindle the war of words with European governments, so they have not applied the sanctions that remain on the books. They probably worry that to do so would shatter Western unity in the face of Iranian aggression and the threat of nuclear-weapons development.

But as Dodd, Lantos, and Hunter all realize, once the president and the secretary of state are stripped of the ability to waive the sanctions, they become a potent tool to stop European companies like Royal Dutch Shell, BNP, Total and Repsol from helping Iran tap its massive oil and gas reserves. The Bush administration people can plead that Congress is forcing their hand and foreign governments would just have to live with the consequences. Like the old Jackson-Vanik Amendment, which forced presidents to deal harshly with the Soviet Union as long as it barred Jewish emigration, the Dodd-Lantos bill would be a very effective tool in bringing Iran to heel.

We tend to overlook how vulnerable Iran is to economic pressure. Blessed with the second largest oil reserves in the world — after Saudi Arabia — its petroleum production has, nevertheless, dropped from 6 million barrels per day under the shah to a mere 3.9 million today. As a result of surging domestic demand — growing at a rate of 10 percent annually — and falling production, Iranian oil and gas revenues are dropping from $55 billion in 2006 to a projected $44 billion this year. Since these funds account for four-fifths of total government revenues, this falloff directly translates into cutbacks on the government subsidies and social programs the government uses to maintain its slender margin of support among the largely young, unemployed, and restive population. Since less than half of the Iranian population is Farsi and there is no ethnic cohesion to hold the nation together, subsidies like that which keeps gasoline at 35 cents per gallon are vital cogs in the regime’s bid for stability.

The U.S. can undermine the regime’s ability to rule and trigger its overthrow by imposing tough economic sanctions, and nothing makes more sense than the legislation Dodd, Lantos, and Hunter are urging on the Congress.

[88Mariner]

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this is getting more comical by the day. have you read some of the letters those captured soldiers have 'written'?

anyways, Iran is saying that the UN is getting involved in what should only be a bilateral issue. this, just after they demand Britain to apologize for entering thier waters, which they clearly didn't.

what WILL they come up with next??

[Jenks]

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Seriously. What a joke. Like this these statements and apologies are supposed to mean something? They're intended to be humiliating i suppose, but that's not even working.

Gotta wonder sometimes what sort of logic flows through the head of Amenyblowjob.

[thesightless]

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this is the man who was a high ranking particiapant in the 1979 hostage crisis.... (thank you jimmy carter, oh wait, its the jews in isreal who are bad).

[thesightless]

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http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=5882&&edition=2&ttl=20070330172241

wow.

EDIT :
holy shit ! i just read the second letter. wow iran must be writing these things and holding guns behind the camera.

"i am a sacrifice for my nations policy"...

why do i feel they didnt create those lines. fucking middle east. should be bombed to glass.

[Miroslav]

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yeah...these people are complete jackasses. It's great that they can get a bunch of their guys and hijack a group of UK soldiers who are on an mission that Iran knows does not concern them and then force these ridiculous "apologies" out of them. Very dignified. I bet Jimmy Carter is crying right now. buncha fucking tools...

Interestingly enough, I notice Bululu is very silent on this these days...

[thesightless]

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they really are just begging to bombed at this point, two videos, open lack of religious respect, breaking hte geneva convention twice in a week, being complete assholes at every turn. the world needs to rid the planet of these people now.

[subterFUSE]

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Iran is just testing the waters of the international scene. They want to see just how little resolve the world has in combating injustice. And they are taking away a valuable lesson: Ignore the world, and the UN.... they are a bunch of cowards who are too afraid to lift a finger to do anything.

[Kobe]

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They are trying to provoke us. They cannot do anything against us directly because that would give us public approval to respond. So they are using the British sailors as a pawn, and daring them (us) to do something. Then we will continue to be portrayed as the aggressor and they have "plausable" deniablity.

It is up to us whether we choose to take the bait and spring their trap or not.

[runningman]

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sounds like the USA has already been at war over the last 18 months..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmce6KmFh6o&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfowars%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Fww3%2Firan%5Fwar%5Funderway%5Fus%5Fuk%5Ffunding%5Fright%5Fwing%5Fterrorists%5Ffor%5Fregime%5Fchange%2Ehtm

i'm standing by what I said I'm pretty sure either in april or the beginning of may the "Coalition" will enter Iran.

[gia powers]

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this is getting more comical by the day. have you read some of the letters those captured soldiers have 'written'?

anyways, Iran is saying that the UN is getting involved in what should only be a bilateral issue. this, just after they demand Britain to apologize for entering thier waters, which they clearly didn't.

what WILL they come up with next??

Force written in my opinion...Iran is getting in over their heads (or so the Western powers would have us believe) I hate to think of what is going to happen next.

Perhaps all the "terrorists" will now flock to Iran as well and still try to fight as an opposing faction in Iraq. Seems to me that the west is playing into their hands.

Either way, it's a scary proposition.

[Bululu]

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Interestingly enough, I notice Bululu is very silent on this these days...

Miroslav, what proves to me that the soldiers were on Iraqi waters ? and weren't actually in Iranian waters? the stupid GPS that both sides showed on TV , I am sure not going to belive the British government , not anymore since the invasion of Iraq and at the same time I don't trust Iranians that much , this is why I kept my mouth shut, comming back to the video footage , I see alot of people vomiting out out of disgust in their posts , Geneve war convention were violated , lets not forget Sadam's video footage when he was caught , and thats only one of 1000 times western governments broke the Geneve conventions, Abu ghraib and Guantanmo bay ring a bell .