The God Delusion

[88Mariner]

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the real question is, why does anyone care what other ppl belive? leave it in your own mind, and allow ppl to keep it to themsleves. it amazes me, and i am 100% guilty in regards to CDJ's excursion, how many ppl try to prove god doesnt exist and the opposite. like, for instance, why in the world did this author take the time to write a book attacking other peoples beleifs? why does he care? and why do ppl like fred phelps give a damn as well?

because laws and policy, both of which govern man, are set, and have been set, based on religious beliefs and religious-based morality. dangerous sh!t indeed...

[Miguel]

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ill take a look at that book ...

[thesightless]

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because laws and policy, both of which govern man, are set, and have been set, based on religious beliefs and religious-based morality. dangerous sh!t indeed...

WHATS wrong with the idea of "thou shall not kill"? relgion got it right there. some laws based on early religion are spot on.

[skahound]

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like, for instance, why in the world did this author take the time to write a book attacking other peoples beleifs? why does he care? and why do ppl like fred phelps give a damn as well?

The point of his writing was to "clue" people in on the absurdity of religion and what a waste of time it is. Those resources (time, money, etc) could be much better spent doing other, more productive, things. Let's not even get into how religion is the root-cause of most of the world's conflicts and wars.

[thesightless]

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thats my point via a mirror. religion is not absurd. to billions, it is great. it gives hope, a reason to unite, a reason to celebrate. its the jackasses like pat robertson, fred phelps, moqtaeda al sadr, bin laden, and half the population of the middle east who ruin the idea of a guideline to living a peaceful, life, with hope of peace in whatver version of heaven you have . my point is that you should embrace religion if you want, and you should not have to hear how "absurd" it is. he shouldnt be "cluing" anyone. he should hold his beliefs inside, and let ppl like my parents hold thiers with zero malice and a lot of respect to each side.

a lot of those "wasted resources" are not wasted. communities help each other, missions help ppl whom need it. and in general, 99% of religion stresses love and peace. that isnt wasting anything IMHO.

but there will always be asshats in any area, from religion to civil rights, to economic strategy.

[picklemonkey]

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the only thing religion is good for is 11 of 12 steps

[thesightless]

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and the religious ppl will tell you that aethiests and agnostics are hollow, empty ppl who have issues...

just being the advocate here, as some of my family is very religious, and i am indifferent. i have faith, but church law is asinine.

[skahound]

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WHATS wrong with the idea of "thou shall not kill"? relgion got it right there. some laws based on early religion are spot on.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! Are you saying that it's because of religion that we don't kill one another? So, do elephants rampantly kill one another? I guess they should because they don't have an elephant bible, that I know of, with little elephant commandments in it.

According to your logic Sean we should all offer up our daughters who "have not known a man" if we commit idolatry.

[skahound]

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the idea of a guideline to living a peaceful, life, with hope of peace in whatver version of heaven you have

I call bullshit. No one needs religion to live a peacful, meaningful life with hope of peace. Those that feel as though they need religion to live that type of life are weak human beings imo. They're no better than the person that needs that drink after work in order to cope with life at home. Or the person that needs to buy that new designer shirt because it gives them a false self esteem.

he shouldnt be "cluing" anyone. he should hold his beliefs inside

Have you lost your fucking mind?! You're talking about be and let be and then you say that Dawkins shouldn't be writing about what he believes in? Would your parents even know the religion that they believe in if it wasn't for some kook somewhere down the line preaching falsehoods and exaggerations? Does their priest/preacher discuss his/her opinion every Sunday? Probably so. But I guess by your logic that priest/preacher should just keep to his/her self and keep their beliefs inside. I for one am glad that Dawkins didn't keep his beliefs inside or I wouldn't have a phenomenal piece of literature.

a lot of those "wasted resources" are not wasted. communities help each other, missions help ppl whom need it. and in general, 99% of religion stresses love and peace. that isnt wasting anything IMHO.

Bullshit again. Are you again saying that we need religion in order to help one another? What a sad world you live in Sean, truly sad indeed. I guess the Crusades, the conflicts in the UK, the Holocaust, and Bosnia were all due to the love and peace that religion so-often stresses.

[unrecogniseduser]

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sightless, if you read the god delusion you will find the athiests response to most of the typical issues presented by people of faith. Worth a look just for that imo.....

Anyway.....the point about caring what other people believe is an important one. If you take what Dawkins says then it is all the moderate believers, who should really know better, who foster a mentality of believing what you are told (this is true imo ). This then can lead to believing that there will be 20 virgins waiting for you when you kill yourself and blow up some infidels because someone tells you it is true. (maybe)

[thesightless]

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great nitz, im glad you have a strong opinion, but mine isnt changing and i respect yours, even if i disagree with it. i say it isnt bad at all. thats it from this end.

and i didnt stress needs to do anything. ppl go to church volutarily. they OPT. and we dont need religion to motiviate us to help each, but more often than not, if provides a conduit to accomplish it.

[geoffgulley]

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... I take a break from the forum and stumble straight into the rabbit hole apparently. Lively discussion I must say. I like ska am a fallen catholic as there are only two types, i.e., devote and fallen. I have absolutely no affinity towards the Catholic Church due to my own and immediate friends personal experiences (Google Fr. George Cooley Cincinnati) and the years later ensuing court proceedings. But even if the "man handleding" by the aforementioned nitwit never happened mere science is enough to make me wonder about the entire "God" thing. I admire someone for having "faith" but if one more creationist idiot tries to tell me man walked with a brontosaures I'm going to hit him in the head with stegosaurus bone.

[Localizer]

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WHATS wrong with the idea of "thou shall not kill"? relgion got it right there. some laws based on early religion are spot on.

That's not religion, that's an axiom of human nature. It works in lots of mammalian species.

[skahound]

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That's not religion, that's an axiom of human nature. It works in lots of mammalian species.

Sean, I'm glad that I did read you incorrectly. Carry on.

[fer_]

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