Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

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  • 88Mariner
    My dick is smaller
    • Nov 2006
    • 7128

    Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

    BY ROBERT F. TURNER
    Friday, April 6, 2007 11:30 a.m. EDT

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad. The administration isn't going to want to touch this political hot potato, nor should it become a partisan issue. Maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, whose aggressive prosecution of Lewis Libby establishes his independence from White House influence, should be called back.
    The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States." Some background on this statute helps to understand why Ms. Pelosi may be in serious trouble.
    President John Adams requested the statute after a Pennsylvania pacifist named George Logan traveled to France in 1798 to assure the French government that the American people favored peace in the undeclared "Quasi War" being fought on the high seas between the two countries. In proposing the law, Rep. Roger Griswold of Connecticut explained that the object was, as recorded in the Annals of Congress, "to punish a crime which goes to the destruction of the executive power of the government. He meant that description of crime which arises from an interference of individual citizens in the negotiations of our executive with foreign governments."
    The debate on this bill ran nearly 150 pages in the Annals. On Jan. 16, 1799, Rep. Isaac Parker of Massachusetts explained, "the people of the United States have given to the executive department the power to negotiate with foreign governments, and to carry on all foreign relations, and that it is therefore an usurpation of that power for an individual to undertake to correspond with any foreign power on any dispute between the two governments, or for any state government, or any other department of the general government, to do it."
    Griswold and Parker were Federalists who believed in strong executive power. But consider this statement by Albert Gallatin, the future Secretary of the Treasury under President Thomas Jefferson, who was wary of centralized government: "it would be extremely improper for a member of this House to enter into any correspondence with the French Republic . . . As we are not at war with France, an offence of this kind would not be high treason, yet it would be as criminal an act, as if we were at war." Indeed, the offense is greater when the usurpation of the president's constitutional authority is done by a member of the legislature--all the more so by a Speaker of the House--because it violates not just statutory law but constitutes a usurpation of the powers of a separate branch and a breach of the oath of office Ms. Pelosi took to support the Constitution.


    The Supreme Court has spoken clearly on this aspect of the separation of powers. In Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice John Marshall used the president's authority over the Department of State as an illustration of those "important political powers" that, "being entrusted to the executive, the decision of the executive is conclusive." And in the landmark 1936 Curtiss-Wright case, the Supreme Court reaffirmed: "Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it."

    Ms. Pelosi and her Congressional entourage spoke to President Assad on various issues, among other things saying, "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace." She is certainly not the first member of Congress--of either party--to engage in this sort of behavior, but her position as a national leader, the wartime circumstances, the opposition to the trip from the White House, and the character of the regime she has chosen to approach make her behavior particularly inappropriate.
    Of course, not all congressional travel to, or communications with representatives of, foreign nations is unlawful. A purely fact-finding trip that involves looking around, visiting American military bases or talking with U.S. diplomats is not a problem. Nor is formal negotiation with foreign representatives if authorized by the president. (FDR appointed Sens. Tom Connally and Arthur Vandenberg to the U.S. delegation that negotiated the U.N. Charter.) Ms. Pelosi's trip was not authorized, and Syria is one of the world's leading sponsors of international terrorism. It has almost certainly been involved in numerous attacks that have claimed the lives of American military personnel from Beirut to Baghdad.
    The U.S. is in the midst of two wars authorized by Congress. For Ms. Pelosi to flaunt the Constitution in these circumstances is not only shortsighted; it may well be a felony, as the Logan Act has been part of our criminal law for more than two centuries. Perhaps it is time to enforce the law. Mr. Turner was acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs in 1984-85 and is a former chairman of the ABA standing committee on law and national security.
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  • Miroslav
    WHOA I can change this!1!
    • Apr 2006
    • 4122

    #2
    Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

    yeah, saw this in the Wall Street Journal editorials. I guess probably nothing will happen to her for this.

    But it says a lot about her "character"...the biggest victory of all of this was not some possible political improvement with Syria, but merely an improvement in her own political power agenda - and feeding her big-ass ego
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    • subterFUSE
      Gold Gabber
      • Nov 2006
      • 850

      #3
      Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

      Of course nothing will happen. But I would love to see it.

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      • toasty
        Sir Toastiness
        • Jun 2004
        • 6585

        #4
        Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

        At the risk of sounding like a Pelosi apologist, why isn't there the same uproar about republican members of Congress meeting with the Syrians (which they did, as part of Pelosi's camp, during the same visit)? Or why is there no mention of the three GOP Congressmen (Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt) who went to Syria on a similar diplomatic mission right after Pelosi? Or how about when any of a number of members of Congress, republican and democrats alike, have visited with our enemies over the years? I haven't seen anyone clamoring to throw them in jail.

        Come on, man. Before we start critiquing everyone too hard, let's make sure we're being honest about the actual lay of the land.

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        • res0nat0r
          Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
          • May 2006
          • 14475

          #5
          Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

          nah, shes just a bitch

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          • Miroslav
            WHOA I can change this!1!
            • Apr 2006
            • 4122

            #6
            Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

            Originally posted by toasty
            At the risk of sounding like a Pelosi apologist, why isn't there the same uproar about republican members of Congress meeting with the Syrians (which they did, as part of Pelosi's camp, during the same visit)? Or why is there no mention of the three GOP Congressmen (Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt) who went to Syria on a similar diplomatic mission right after Pelosi? Or how about when any of a number of members of Congress, republican and democrats alike, have visited with our enemies over the years? I haven't seen anyone clamoring to throw them in jail.

            Come on, man. Before we start critiquing everyone too hard, let's make sure we're being honest about the actual lay of the land.
            Well, to play devil's advocate (i.e., from the WSJ article), sure congress people go all the time, but it's the circumstances - she's a national leader who commands massive publicity, it's wartime, the administration clearly expressed their desire that she not go, etc. When she goes there, everybody watches. When congress members go there, no one gives a crap.

            But that aside...I'm not concerned about jail time for her, I just think it's stupid of her (and others) to go there under the circumstances.
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            • 88Mariner
              My dick is smaller
              • Nov 2006
              • 7128

              #7
              Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

              i read a different article before this one that brought up the creation of a shadow presidency.... i'll have to hunt it down
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              it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

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              ----PEACE-----

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              • toasty
                Sir Toastiness
                • Jun 2004
                • 6585

                #8
                Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

                Originally posted by Miroslav
                Well, to play devil's advocate (i.e., from the WSJ article), sure congress people go all the time, but it's the circumstances - she's a national leader who commands massive publicity, it's wartime, the administration clearly expressed their desire that she not go, etc. When she goes there, everybody watches. When congress members go there, no one gives a crap.
                I guess my point is simply this -- the only people I see expressing any real concern over this are republicans. At the same time, though, I don't see those same folks expressing concern when republicans are heading over there, including the delegation of republicans that went over there a couple days later at Bush's behest. The reason? It's not real concern, it's political.

                Of course, democrats are guilty of expressing the same sort of mock outrage in other circumstances when it is politically advantageous to do so. When this sort of posturing BS is going on, though, let's just call a spade and spade and not get needlessly worked up.

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                • subterFUSE
                  Gold Gabber
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 850

                  #9
                  Re: Did Pelosi Commit a Felony When She Went to Syria?

                  There is a difference, however.

                  The republicans that went to Syria did so with the approval of the executive branch, and their message was consistent with current US policy.

                  Peolsi went against the wishes of the executive branch, and carried with her a message which contradicts current US policy. This sends mixed messages with regard to our foreign policy, and I believe it is dangerous.

                  And republicans are not the only ones expressing disapproval with Pelosi's trip. Many media outlets have criticized the Speaker, including the Washington Post and USA Today (both known for their left-leaning bias).

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