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How can you say gun laws dont do shit mate.. where i live Australia there are gun laws and control.. and even though the population is not like the US there is hardly ever any shootings in Aus.. I bet give it like 7months and there prob will be another shooting in America.. that is the trend it seems have taken.. And yes people can get guns on the street if they tried i am not saying they cant.. its all about accesability is it not..what i am saying is the more people carrying them the more shootings accidents etc ..And yes maybe it is too hard to do something bout it now so as somone mentioned why now make the price of bullets alot more expensive or something.. i mean these fatcats get all the money in parliment they should think of the ideas and run the country properly.. Anyway thats all.. bye
We have the same laws here in canada but we are seeing more and more shooting from gangs in Toronto.. it is spreading to my town of Windsor as well.. Soon it will be the same in Australia.. I think everybody should have a gun and learn how to use it so people just don't go around shooting people.. Training should be the big issue not disarming.
I have a gun or two. I've never killed anyone. Shocking right?
I'm going to look into getting a gun soon. Why? Cuz going to the range and shooting targets seems like fun and a cool test of skill. Simple as that. I'm sure that makes me a gun-crazed, psycho....but whatever.
Originally posted by Jenks
It would have been nice if yeah, we didn't ever have guns, i'd be all for that. But we're past that now, because we already have them, and more importantly, criminals will always have them no matter what laws you put in place. So i'll be keeping my guns thanks, because the bad guys have them too.
Exactly!!!
If guns are illegal the only people that won't have them are the ones who actually need them. Criminals will get them either way...so why make the general population into target practice? What's to stop a criminal from breaking into someone's house and robbing/raping/killing them if they know for a fact that the owner doesn't have a gun? The problem is the black market....there are "gun highways" stretching all over the country. I'm not totally sure so don't quote me, but didn't Australia's murder and assault rates go up after their new laws were implemented? So...please tell me...how is getting rid of LEGAL guns going to resolve this?
Also...I love the "Why does this only happen in the US?" line. Some kid (probably a transplanted American) just shot up a bunch of people in Canada recently, right? Mexico is run by heavily-armed drug cartels. Darfur is overrun with AK-toting militias. People get killed over freaking soccer in Europe!!! Only in America, right? Or different manifestations of the same problem? But hey...people LOVE piling on the US...so have at it.
* In the United States during 1997, there were 15,289 murders. Of these, 10,369 were committed with firearms.
* In the United States during 1997, there were approximately 7,927,000 violent crimes. Of these, 691,000 were committed with firearms.
* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times.
* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.
* Federal law 18 USC Section 922 generally prohibits anyone under 18 from possessing a handgun. It also prohibits licensed firearm dealers and collectors from selling handguns to anyone under 21 years of age.
* Laws in the United States generally prohibit the sale, possession, or use of cocaine. About 200,000 American children, age 12-17 used cocaine in 1997. About 2.5 million 12-17 year olds (11.4%) used an illicit drug in 1997.
(http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm)
* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times.
* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.
What did someone else just say..."That proves it!!!"
ok everyone so check this out...perhaps not surprising, but:
That little fucker had EXACTLY all of the classic signs you'd expect in a person who is going to go nuts and shoot up a classroom.
Completely unfriendly and antisocial, angry a lot, obsessed with violence, wrote disturbing shit, some history of mental illness...you name it, it's there. Apparently he thoroughly creeped the hell out of everyone in his English class with his graphic and disturbing plays handed in for assignments...they even notified school administration about the stuff he wrote. And they all pretty much knew it was him before it was all even figured out and announced.
Yep...said he was a total loner and was recommend to see a counselor due to some of the fucked up shit he wrote. He was also supposedly on medication for depression. Sounds pretty much like the Columbine guys, right? And you mean to tell me NO ONE saw this coming?
But no, man...it's the movies and TV shows and video games and rap music. Cuz you know people can't just be born fucked up...it's got to be something else's fault.
When I first heard about the multiple shootings at Virginia Tech yesterday, my first thought was about my friends, and my second thought was "I bet it was Seung Cho."
Cho was in my playwriting class last fall, and nobody seemed to think much of him at first. He would sit by himself whenever possible, and didn't like talking to anyone. I don't think I've ever actually heard his voice before. He was just so quiet and kept to himself. Looking back, he fit the exact stereotype of what one would typically think of as a "school shooter" – a loner, obsessed with violence, and serious personal problems. Some of us in class tried to talk to him to be nice and get him out of his shell, but he refused talking to anyone. It was like he didn't want to be friends with anybody.
A lot of good your observations are doing now, dude.
But no, man...it's the movies and TV shows and video games and rap music. Cuz you know people can't just be born fucked up...it's got to be something else's fault.
hmmm...and in his dorm room, item related to the manufacture of explosives and various information related to acts of mass destruction and terror. Who would have guessed.
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