20 dead at uni shooting :(

[thesightless]

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we need tom cruise and the minority reports

[Localizer]

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But no, man...it's the movies and TV shows and video games and rap music. Cuz you know people can't just be born fucked up...it's got to be something else's fault.





A lot of good your observations are doing now, dude.

Sorry man, I believe in Tablula Raza (clean slate) at birth. The values that society places on many things propogates fucked up people. Depression is linked to societal materialism and ideology. If we have no value system, much like animals, there won't be a rampage, nor would there be depression.

Everyone has to take into account how they treat people because humans are unpredictable. Everyone I come in contact I treat as an aquaintance and at least try to say something to help better their day because there's always some fuckhead who wants to make their day worse. Often times we forget how volatile people are.

[shosh]

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read the warrant. it states that is what they were looking for. page 5 shows what they actually found

hmmm...and in his dorm room, item related to the manufacture of explosives and various information related to acts of mass destruction and terror. Who would have guessed.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/04/17/warrant.pdf

[Miroslav]

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read the warrant. it states that is what they were looking for. page 5 shows what they actually found

doh...sorry, I got way too excited with trying to pull together all of the signs to the guy's deranged state of mind.

[Miroslav]

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Sorry man, I believe in Tablula Raza (clean slate) at birth. The values that society places on many things propogates fucked up people. Depression is linked to societal materialism and ideology. If we have no value system, much like animals, there won't be a rampage, nor would there be depression.

Everyone has to take into account how they treat people because humans are unpredictable. Everyone I come in contact I treat as an aquaintance and at least try to say something to help better their day because there's always some fuckhead who wants to make their day worse. Often times we forget how volatile people are.

I don't have the facts, so I try to refrain from formulating too many beliefs... That said, I suspect that some people could be just born nutty. People are born with physical abnormalities and even mental deformities. Parallel to that, one might reasonably expect that people could be born with some hormones or chemicals messed up in their heads and that it might pre-dispose them to be psychopaths... Societal factors certainly seem to play a big role...but I wouldn't just assume away the possibility of natural deformities as well.

[Localizer]

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I don't have the facts, so I try to refrain from formulating too many beliefs... That said, I suspect that some people could be just born nutty. People are born with physical abnormalities and even mental deformities. Parallel to that, one might reasonably expect that people could be born with some hormones or chemicals messed up in their heads and that it might pre-dispose them to be psychopaths... Societal factors certainly seem to play a big role...but I wouldn't just assume away the possibility of natural deformities as well.

Understandably so, however in this case, it was more of depression and anger toward society as opposed to being 'mental'. Everyone has issues, and everyone get's depressed - it's the bedrock of emotion. However, humans have a tendency to trigger emotion and we're dam good at it. We do so in ways that we shouldn't.

On another note, poor Alfred Nobel must be going apeshit in his grave. I believe in bearing arms for the protection of the people against the government. However, a gun in this situation would have not solved anything. If the kid knew you could carry a gun on campus, he would have come through with a bomb. It's unfortunate that the very institutions we trust with our lives are contributing to the sales of arms on the black market.

[floridaorange]

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I do not have to be a Dr. to know that this guy was crazy.

[KinKyJ]

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we need tom cruise and the minority reports

Not according to Dr. Phil http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/17/d...tech-massacre/

[evangelion]

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we need tom cruise and the minority reports

I thought of that too.

Sorry man, I believe in Tablula Raza (clean slate) at birth.

So you're saying that being "crazy" is brought on by society and not a mixture of miriad genetic circumstances?

I'm pretty sure that people can be and are born crazy. How do you explain little kids that are psycho from the day they get pushed out? They are not old enough/aware enough for society/the world to have that profound of an effect on them yet.



In other news...

Looks like the dude had brushes with the law before...stalking chicks even.

Just goes to prove again....this never should have been allowed to happen.

LINK

[Huggie Smiles]

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150 people dead in IRAQ today alone;
US media isnt covering those grieving families are they?
2000 a month dead but no George Bush prayering for all those families on TV:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456995/html/default.stm

[Huggie Smiles]

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Sorry man, I believe in Tablula Raza (clean slate) at birth. .

You dont think genes account for anything?

Seems highly unlikely given the rates of inheritance for many disease groups including cancer, cystic fibrosis, type I diabetes, schizophrenia, depression etc etc etc

[evangelion]

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Exactly.

If a human can be born with those various maladies, why can't they be born with the chemical deficiencies and brain abnormalities that cause "crazyiness."

[day_for_night]

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if you want to read something utterly depressing...victim profiles:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/index.html

[KinKyJ]

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150 people dead in IRAQ today alone;
US media isnt covering those grieving families are they?
2000 a month dead but no George Bush prayering for all those families on TV:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...ml/default.stm

That was exactly what I was thinking when I heard about the four bombings in Iraq today. I'm not saying that Bush praying for the V Tech vics' families is over the top or something, just that it's near sickening that 30 dead in our our own corner of the world causes general outrage while 160 (Yes Hugster, the death toll went up again) in Bagdad is perceived as business as usual and genocides like in Darfur are just "too unimportant" to mention in the news.

You dont think genes account for anything?

Seems highly unlikely given the rates of inheritance for many disease groups including cancer, cystic fibrosis, type I diabetes, schizophrenia, depression etc etc etc

Imo the truth about that lies in the middle. I've always been told in my sociology classes that 30% of who we are is present at birth (genes, deficiencies, ...), the rest is determined by our environment (society, media, education). That's pretty accurate I think...

Anyway, this blind violence is becomming more frequent in the entire Western society, not only in the US. Just look at the score for a tiny shit country like my own. In the past year we've had:
- a highschool student stabbed to death for his iPod
- a kid who bought a hunting rifle and started shooting coloured people
- skinheads who severely beat up a Polish guy
- an old man beaten to death on a bus when he tried to break up a fight between youngsters
- twice a group of drunken kids who attack a random kid and kill him
and that's just the shit that made the news...

If you ask me, a lot -if not the entire problem- is caused by the influence the environment has on kids: consumption pressure from an early age, glorification of violence by the media (not only movies and such, but also (gangsta) music), individualism, parents who are unable to spend enough time on their kids' education, lacking of elements like discipline, respect, social skills, values and norms in kids' education, ...

One thing I conclude from all that I'm seeing is that I'm more determined than ever to give my kids the same old school conservative and strict education my parents have given me. If I can't block out external influence, at least I'll be able to teach my kids how to deal with and react to it. But that's just me...

[apollo_1444]

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Why does this always seem to happen at a school in the US?

because they are weirdos..


sorry for what happened tho' sad day.