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  • feather
    Shanghai ooompa loompa
    • Jul 2004
    • 20895

    MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

    MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more. A landmark decision yesterday will cost nightclubs and dance party promoters ? and maybe punters, at the end of the line ? millions of dollars a year.

    The Copyright Tribunal yesterday sided with artists to approve an application by the Phonographic Performance Company for an increase in music licence fees paid to artists and record labels by nightclub venues and dance parties.

    It lifted rates for recordings played in nightclubs from seven cents per person a night to $1.05 per person. The dance party rate rises from 20 cents to $3.07 per person.

    The nightclub industry fears the increase will send many clubs broke.

    Clubs Australia executive Anthony Ball said that it could even make dance parties too expensive to run for some operators.

    "The increase from (almost) eight cents per person to $1.05 ? is astronomical, it's over 1000 per cent," Mr Ball said.

    "It will see clubs that provide discos and dance nights withdraw their services in suburban and regional parts of the country. They might just decide it's all too expensive."

    Likewise the Australian Hotel Association. "We're a bit stunned by the size of the increase," said the director of national affairs, Bill Healey. "It will be very difficult for some to stay in business, but it might open the door for some live music."

    Not surprisingly, musicians took the opposite view, hailing the decision.

    Lindy Morrison, the former drummer of the Go-Betweens, who is also a Phonographic Performance Company board member, was elated with the decision. The work of recording artists had been "subsidising" the revenues of nightclubs for too long, she said.

    "As an older artist, receiving those cheques becomes very important."

    Dean Cherny, a DJ with Melbourne band Dirty Laundry, agrees with the principle, but wonders about the practice. He expects the increase will particularly affect smaller bar owners who do not charge entry. He points out that clubs work on cash, so "if there's a fixed cost, then people are going to be far less likely to declare".

    Phonographic Performance Company chief executive Stephen Peach said it was "highly unlikely" to send any clubs broke. "What we've got to keep in mind is that number is less than half the price of checking a coat, it's probably 20 per cent of the price of a drink.

    "The majority of artists at the seven-cent rate would be earning less than a couple of hundred dollars a year from nightclubs. At this sort of rate, no one is going to be retiring or buying a holiday house ? it's going to get them more towards getting a reasonable income."

    Phonographic company board member Paul Christie, who was Mondo Rock's bass player, said: "Artists are entitled to a fair day's pay for a fair day's work and this will go some way towards compensating us for our creative output."

    But Dror Erez, who runs The Prince in St Kilda, was flabbergasted by the 14-fold increase in licence fees.

    "The CEOs of the record companies will be sharing this money. Most of the music we play is from overseas, and I bet those artists don't see a cent," he said.

    After operating costs, the Phonographic Performance Company distributes half the money to record labels and the other half to Australian artists.
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    i_want_to_have_sex_with_electronic_music

    Originally posted by Hoff
    a powerful and insane mothership that occasionally comes commanded by the real ones .. then suck us and makes us appear in the most magical of all lands
    Originally posted by m1sT3rL
    Oh. My. God. James absolutely obliterated the island tonight. The last time there was so much destruction, Obi Wan Kenobi had to take a seat on the Falcon after the Death Star said "hi and bye" to Leia's homeworld.

    I got pics and video. But I will upload them in the morning. I need to smoke this nice phat joint and just close my eyes and replay the amazingness in my head.
  • DIDI
    Aussie Pest
    • Nov 2004
    • 16845

    #2
    Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

    This is shocking. I've read the Decision pdf and it's a joke!! They hired a consulting Company who ran 7 focus groups and managed to come up with fees that will put half our dance community out of business. Home nightclub in Sydney would have to pay $480.000 per year!!!!!! Licence fes are charged on Venue capacity. There was no research done in Melbourne which is an extremely important part of the industry and operates quite differently to, say, Sydney!!

    Artists would get next to nothing !! Fees would only be paid to artists on the Aria Club lists and they have to be registered, which pretty well cuts out most of our producers. These fees will be going to big records companies, gee ain't that a surprise!!! and for an extra layer of bureaucracy ! Very, very angry
    btw Don't see the mention of dance party promoters fees going from 20c to over $3.00 per head If this had been in place a couple of months ago the Darkbeat/Sunny guys probably couldn't have bought Hernan out!! I'm scared to think what will happen in the future!!
    Originally posted by TheVrk
    it IS incredible isn't it??
    STILL pumpin out great set after great set...never cheesed out, never sold out, never lost his touch..
    Simply does not get any better than Hernan
    The 'club spirit' is in the soul. It Never Dies

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    • SyntaxTerror
      Occupation: Playtex Sales
      • Jun 2004
      • 964

      #3
      Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

      ^^^ What she said. I'll bet that at least 90% of the music I listen to isn't a member of ARIA, meaning they won't see a single cent out of this (or any royalty scheme ARIA have in place), but the fat cats who look after Madonna, Ricky Martin, etc. will get the money earned from the clubs
      "If not for Josh Wink, Sasha wouldn't own any Acid except for the paper stuff he dopes chicks with at clubs." - Jenks, 2004

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      • Yao
        DUDERZ get a life!!!
        • Jun 2004
        • 8167

        #4
        Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

        So it's selective lawmaking again. Nice going, if it ain't hard enough for non-mainstream artists already we're gonna make it even harder for them to surface. When is this going to stop, this plain 'milking' of the consumer?

        Same thing in holland, they're now extremely active in looking for ways to extort more money out of you for listening to music. The day that we'll have to pick our own drums up and beat them ourselves to listen to any music are coming closer methinks...
        Blowkick visual & graphic design - No Civilization. Now With Broadband.

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        • Dhar_2
          meat and potatoes
          • Jun 2004
          • 18917

          #5
          Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

          this money grabbing is getting out of control. problem is that we cant do shit!.

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          • feather
            Shanghai ooompa loompa
            • Jul 2004
            • 20895

            #6
            Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

            Bring back the illegal warehouse parties!

            i_want_to_have_sex_with_electronic_music

            Originally posted by Hoff
            a powerful and insane mothership that occasionally comes commanded by the real ones .. then suck us and makes us appear in the most magical of all lands
            Originally posted by m1sT3rL
            Oh. My. God. James absolutely obliterated the island tonight. The last time there was so much destruction, Obi Wan Kenobi had to take a seat on the Falcon after the Death Star said "hi and bye" to Leia's homeworld.

            I got pics and video. But I will upload them in the morning. I need to smoke this nice phat joint and just close my eyes and replay the amazingness in my head.

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            • rewing3
              I really don't care
              • Jun 2004
              • 5504

              #7
              Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

              Originally posted by feather
              Bring back the illegal warehouse parties!
              sounds good to me. This decision is utterly retarted. Leave it to the gov't to screw up something else.
              Common Sense is not Common at all.

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              • Garrick
                DUDERZ get a life!!!
                • Jun 2004
                • 6764

                #8
                Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                umm, according to that, it seems our surcharge will only be $3 more... that isn't that bad. $3 more per ticket is better than shutting down clubs.
                Should I fuck you at that not until the ass, inject then tremendously hard bumschen and to the termination in the eyes yes?

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                • TomTom
                  Paging Doctor Weeds...we have a shortage on 1st St.
                  • May 2002
                  • 16206

                  #9
                  Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                  I don't give a damn about all these developments. Underground will always survive and find a new way to provide something for free or at least for a proportional price to people. Question is how legal it will be. In the 90ties it was normal to go to clubs and pay 5 bucks at the entrance and 2 bucks for a beer. Disadvantage was that the clubs were shot down very quickly sometimes....in worst case at the opening party while you were dancing and sometimes a week later because of missing security items or one of the other zillion rules that apply to club owners/party managers. Strange is we have a boat load of uncleared murder, rapist and violence cases but at least here in Germany the government's little helpers are after everybody's asses like Satan after Souls as soon as it is about a party. Good thing was as soon as the club was closed, a new location was found in under a week so the party always continued.

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                  • jeffrey collins
                    Not cool enough
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 7427

                    #10
                    Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                    This is soo messed up for the Australian dance music scene. Looks to me like that law is passed to help the rich already get richer with their shitty music.
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                    • Yao
                      DUDERZ get a life!!!
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 8167

                      #11
                      Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                      Yeah...I'm all for illegal shit again if this goes thru. Got the same thing happening here with the poleez cracking down on parties al the time while big shot criminals get off with 1 year of jail for the most lousy charges.

                      Heard last week that every month the same amount of people dies from alcohol intoxication as people die from drug abuse in one whole year. WTF...politicians seem to have a sense of specifically not getting their priorities congruent with reality.
                      Blowkick visual & graphic design - No Civilization. Now With Broadband.

                      There are but three true sports -- bullfighting, mountain climbing, and motor-racing. The rest are merely games. -Hemingway

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                      • asdf_admin
                        i use to be important
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 12798

                        #12
                        Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                        bummer.
                        dead, yet alive.

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                        • jarble187
                          vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 2047

                          #13
                          Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                          Is this just an Aussie thing? I wasnt aware that clubs had to pay royalties for the music that is being played generally by a foriegn DJ. Seems like a liquor or gas tax...shitty news.
                          Push the envelope, watch it bend.


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                          • rubyraks
                            DUDERZ get a life!!!
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 5341

                            #14
                            Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                            ^yes technically clubs here in the US are supposed to pay public performance fees as well (though it's on a per song basis).

                            Going after clubs has always been a popular political path to take as most people who no longer have any fun in their lives that isn't dictated by this imaginary box that we're all supposed to eventually fit into (you know the one where you learn to serve your employer's needs, get married, have 2-3 kids and watch your entire life only revolve around family and work, aka "becoming a useful member of society" ) love going after those who still do have fun.
                            "Work like you don't need the money.
                            Love like you've never been hurt.
                            Dance like nobody's watching.
                            Sing like nobody's listening.
                            Live like it's Heaven on Earth."

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                            • jarble187
                              vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 2047

                              #15
                              Re: MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

                              Originally posted by rubyraks
                              ^yes technically clubs here in the US are supposed to pay public performance fees as well (though it's on a per song basis).
                              This is all news to me. So technically.....how does tracks from a DJ's set get counted up and how are royalty fees charged? The club doesnt know how many tracks will be in a set, so do they then pay a lump sum? What happens when you have cut and paste masters like Hawtin who could cut a track up to the point that it is no longer the original copyrighted track. How could fees be assessed to non-copyrighted material?
                              Push the envelope, watch it bend.


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