MUSIC to dance to is about to cost more.

[rubyraks]

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Like I said "technically" they have to pay them, but they don't and I've yet to hear of it being prosecuted in the US.

[Jayson]

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What happens when you have cut and paste masters like Hawtin who could cut a track up to the point that it is no longer the original copyrighted track.

Now you're getting into a question of ethics. Even though you wouldn't be able to know where it came from just by listening because of how much he twisted it, you should still give credit to the original artist.

Perfect example is Trafik - Your Light (Chable`s Return of the 3am Drop). I mean phuck! There's no way in hell you can tell it's Trafik but still gives credit.

[DIDI]

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umm, according to that, it seems our surcharge will only be $3 more... that isn't that bad. $3 more per ticket is better than shutting down clubs.

It's going from 20c to $3 !!!!! That fee is the fee for promoters of dance parties , one off events
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The fee that will shut clubs down is the one going from 7c to $1 . Every club will have to pay that amount per head based on the clubs capacity, not on actual heads through the door !!! Some of the smaller clubs with a five hundred capacity will have to come up with $500 every single night they open and before they get one person through the door.!! They have a few nights where they only have 100 - 200 people, what do you think will happen??? And for what!! Our Australian artists won't be better off !!! Apparently there is no agreement with American artists either, so guess who gets the momey. Big record companies and the bureaurocratic deparment putting up the proposal. !!! The fee has been rising in line with the consumer pricelist since it has been brought in.

This is essentially a way to guarantee the income stream for the record companies. Instead of coming into the 21st century with their business practices , they have loaded up the lawyers and are getting legislators to do their dirty work for them. !! Don't compete!! Get the competion shut down!! Or in our case, just collect more money from the industry.
I'm assuming similar attitudes apply to music worldwide, an awful lot of people are there for the music, not the money. We have some incredibly talented people who won't have anywhere to play, or any reason to produce.

[DIDI]

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This is all news to me. So technically.....how does tracks from a DJ's set get counted up and how are royalty fees charged? The club doesnt know how many tracks will be in a set, so do they then pay a lump sum? What happens when you have cut and paste masters like Hawtin who could cut a track up to the point that it is no longer the original copyrighted track. How could fees be assessed to non-copyrighted material?

All these questions tell us why our artists aren't going to get anything, !!!!!!! By charging an all up licence fee they get their money but it's obviously too hard to work out what the artist should get. On top of that the artist has to be registered with the relevant department and has to have their tune[s] on the Aria charts before they get a cent. The stuff that makes it to the Aria charts is the cheesy pop. !!

[DIDI]

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This is the current Dance Chart.



09/07/2007
B TW LW TI HP Title Artist Accred.* Company
1 1 5 1 DESTINATION CALABRIA Alex Gaudino Feat. Crystal Waters MOS/EMI
2 2 9 2 UFO Sneaky Sound System WHA/MGM
3 3 8 3 THE CREEPS Camille Jones vs Fedde Le Grand MOS/EMI
4 4 16 1 THE OTHERS TV Rock vs. Dukes Of Windsor SBME
5 5 16 1 WHAT GOES AROUND...COMES AROUND Justin Timberlake <G> JVE/SBME
6 6 36 2 PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR DETROIT Fedde Le Grand HUS/EMI
7 7 41 1 ROCK THIS PARTY (EVERYBODY DANCE NOW) Bob Sinclar HUS/EMI
8 8 19 4 PICTURES Sneaky Sound System WHA/MGM
9 10 5 7 TRULY MADLY DEEPLY Cascada CSR/MRA
10 9 43 1 I DON'T FEEL LIKE DANCIN' Scissor Sisters <P> PDR/UMA
11 13 48 5 I LOVE IT Sneaky Sound System WHA/MGM
12 12 3 10 FEELS LIKE HOME Meck Feat. Dino HUS/EMI
13 15 32 9 EVERYTIME WE TOUCH Cascada CSR/MRA
14 11 2 11 STOP ME Mark Ronson feat. Daniel Merriweather COL/SBME
15 14 10 6 GET DOWN Groove Armada Feat. Stush JVE/SBME
16 20 69 1 FLAUNT IT TV Rock Feat. Seany B <P>2 SBME
17 16 8 9 BEWARE OF THE DOG Jamelia CAP/EMI
18 17 41 1 CRAZY Gnarls Barkley <G> WEA/WAR
19 19 40 5 LOVE DON'T LET ME GO (WALKING AWAY) David Guetta vs. The Egg MOS/EMI
20 18 18 3 PROPER EDUCATION Eric Prydz vs. Floyd MOS/EMI


Any comments!!

[feather]

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I'm quite surprised that Australia has done this on its own iniative?? It's always been the RIAA harrassing people and putting pressure on other organizations. Let's hope the rest of the world doesn't take follow Australia's suit.

[DIDI]

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^^^ That is an interesting comment, The system has been in place for years . It would be interesting to know who actually funded the consulting group. Btw the focus groups were on "willingness to pay" It could be that this has been done here first because we already had the system, they only needed to increase the fees.

[feather]

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I know Singapore has such a system too and it applies to radio stations as well as clubs. And as someone else mentioned, there's such a system in America too. Whether anyone actually goes along with it is debatable.

I might've missed out something in the original article, but how to the authorities plan to track and verify the music being played every weekend? The system is inherently a logistical nightmare which is why (from the little I know), it is not easily nor commonly enforced.

[DIDI]

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Playlists from Djs compared to Aria charts and it will be a nightmare.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22053197-2,00.html

[feather]

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My bad, it's an entirely different system. Australia goes by a per person charge.

[nowtheyrealldjs]

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nonsense. wtf. i hate big fat ass industry people. silly rich people. this is so wrong for independent non-mainstream labels, as the clubs is an important point of showcasing their music. if clubs close, there would be less showcasing...

[nowtheyrealldjs]

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too bad for australians. i would gladly pay the fee, if im sure it goes to the original creator, not to some twisted f***d up wanna be madonna

[DIDI]

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My bad, it's an entirely different system. Australia goes by a per person charge.

I said that

[scottpuig]

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It would seem a DJ not employed by the club would have to pays his own fees,since he is self-employed? non of this really makes any sense.... who's counting anyway

[DancingQueen]

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So is it saying that with this new law it will cost the clubs about $3 more per person to host an event to cover licensing fees for the music? How do they know what I dj will play in the night to charge this? Or is this only if they broadcast the event?